Tarrin the Elementalist

[Shadowhawk]

I wonder if Tarrin could sense Elementalists (in Pyrosia) reaching to the elemental plane to draw the power, could he also learn how to reach to this power? Could Tarrin access Elementalists' powers at Pyrosia? He is known of doing next to impossible things (like callinge weave thru All).

What do you think?

[Lochar]

This one I think Fel said something about in IRC when he released chapter 8.  I was asking questions and he said that before Tarrin and everyone gets to the Isle of the Damned where the souls of the other Sorcerers are at, Tarrin was going to meet up with Phandebrass and the Elementalists and learn their magic.  I'm guessing he'll be able to take it to Sennadar also, since the druid magic that he used in his god form kinda "woke up" the all of that world.  before that there wasn't any druid magic.

Speaking of which Fel, since the All of Pyrosia has been woken up, will the were's abilities go back to normal, since there is an All to give them power again?

[Shadowhawk]

I'm guessing he'll be able to take it [the elementalist's magic] to Sennadar also, since the Druid magic that he used in his god form kinda "woke up" the All of that world.  Before that there [on pyrosia] wasn't any Druid magic.

One must remember, that the rules for magic in Sennadar and in Pyrosia are different. On Sennadar all magic except Druidic magic goes through Weave, so Sorcerer can block Priests and Wizards magic. There is no Weave on Pyrosia (therefore no Sorcery), but Priest, Wizard and Elemental magic transfer the energy (accordingly: divine, arcane (positive or negative energy), elemental) somehow. On the other hand the Elemental magic is similar to Arcane magic (Wizardry) in that the energy comes from other "energy" plane.

What I wanted to say that the fact tha Tarrin would be able to use Elemental magic on Pyrosia does not automatically imply that he would be able to use it on Sennadar.

But if he would be able to use Elemental magic in Sennadar, then the child(ren) from Pyrosia who is/are Elementalists would be able to use his/they ablilities in Sennadar. I think that this is possible that Tarrin takes them home. But maybe he would find them the place to live on theoir home plane, Pyrosia, with some of Elementalist the Phandebrass made acquitance. I wonder what it is about Zyri; she is not Elementalist (at least not "awakened" one) yet Tarrin sensed something in her. Maybe she would be Druid, now that there is All on Pyrosia...

Speaking of which Fel, since the All of Pyrosia has been woken up, will the were's abilities go back to normal, since there is an All to give them power again?

There is possible that the Tarrin survival is due to slightly enhanced Were regeneration abilities. Slightly because All of Pyrosia is barely awakened, and I think that it is weaker than in Sennadar (Sennadar has more magic).

[Lochar]

You have to remember, Wizardy was an alien magic to Sennadar also.  I think that the magic adapts to the realm it is called into.

[Shadowhawk]

You have to remember, Wizardy was an alien magic to Sennadar also.  I think that the magic adapts to the realm it is called into.

Is Wizardry alien (and therefore lethal to Demons) because it was not present originally on Sennadar (like Sorcery on Pyrosia), or is it considered otherwordly because the energy is alien? Is Sorcery dangerous to Demons because it gets energy from outside the world, or because it was not present on Pyrosia during creation? Ironwood grows on Sennadar, and is otherwordly.

So, is Elemental magic dangerous to Demons on Pyrosia? The energy comes from one of Elemental planes, but the elements are present and native on any "material" plane. Is Wizardry killing to Demons also on Pyrosia? The arcane energy is alien to any "material" world, I think. Would Elemental magic be alien on Sennadar (if it would be possible to use Elementalists' power on Sennadar) and thus lethal to Demons?

Some explanations are needed....

[Lochar]

Wizardy draws from other planes too.  In particular, the light or negative plane.  If the energy isn't drawn from that world, then I'm guessing it's alien and will hurt demons.  If the ability to draw the energy originated on Pyrosia, that may change the rules, since it started out there.  But then again, if it does still hurt them, I'd have to wonder if Sorcery's elementals couldn't do damage because they are being drawn from another plane.  Dunno.

[Wildcat]

Although Sorcery's elementals are drawn from another plane, they exist in this one though a body provided from the weave, which is on Sennadar and thus a part of that world. I would imagine Demons would be immune to that sort of thing: I don't remember, for example, Tarrin's fire elemental bringing down demons at Suld.

[Lochar]

Good point.  It is Sorcery's elements that make it up.  I wonder if you could combine the two, and summon the elemental using the elemental powers?  That'd probably be pretty powerful, considering they have their own normal energy to work with.  The only thing that you'd have to be careful there is that they'd no longer be protected from destruction.

[Shadowhawk]

Good point.  It is Sorcery's elements that make it up.  I wonder if you could combine the two, and summon the elemental using the elemental powers?  That'd probably be pretty powerful, considering they have their own normal energy to work with.  The only thing that you'd have to be careful there is that they'd no longer be protected from destruction.

But you still need the Sorcery to provide body for the summoned Elemental. The problem is with providing the boundary for elemental, especially Air one. On the other hand if Druid elementals are made of plane own elements and don't need "body", then elemental Elementals might not need Sorcery, too.

[Lochar]

How about a combination of the two?  Summon the Elemental through Sorcery, then cloak it with the same element from the Elementalists abilities.  Still invulnerable to being truly killed, but able to harm demons and such.

[Shadowhawk]

How about a combination of the two?  Summon the Elemental through Sorcery, then cloak it with the same element from the Elementalists abilities.  Still invulnerable to being truly killed, but able to harm demons and such.

It is still the problem what makes something lethal for Demons. We know that for weapons the item must be made from the material which is not from the world (is otherwordly). Pay attention that only the origin of the material must be otherwordly; for example Ironwood grows on Sennadar, but came from other world and can kill Demon.

When it comes to magic there are two possible rules (I can think of), consistent with the books. Either magic is lethal to Demons if the energy comes from other plane, or can harm Demons if the energy is alien to the world. If the second explanation is true (I'm partially to this explanation; it makes more sense in my opinion) the Elemental magic on any material world cannot harm Demon. It could harm/kill Demon e.g. in Astral plane. Wizardry uses Arcane energy (negative or positive energy) which is alien to material planes, thus lethal to Demons. Sorcery on Pyrosia takes energy from Sennadar's Weave thru Tarrin artifact sword; this energy is not present on Pyrosia thus can kill Demons (if the first explanation is true that is because energy of Sorcery comes from other plane).

There is also another rule. Anything divine can harm Demon (or resist Demon innate abilities, results of its demonic nature).

BTW. Do you think that this topic needs separate thread?