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Revolution Chapter 11 (Spoilers)

Post by JNMC » Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:48 pm

Well, looks like we might be getting some more CO chapters fairly soon. Also, I'm still wondering how tackling the 'Dragon' of the Medical Service is going to turn out and why and how it turns out to be such a danger to Danae.

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Re: Revolution Chapter 11 (Spoilers)

Post by kyli » Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:51 am

The longer this goes on without anything happening to confirm the dragon dream is the FMS, the more it looks like we might be wrong about it. A few chapters ago, it could have made sense but it feels the story has moved on a bit and revisiting that part any longer then it takes Jason to drop the hammer on those involved in the outbreak would be a bit cliché to me.

I already mentioned this in the CO spoiler section but the same mistake was made again in this chapter. Youtube was founded in 2005, the same year as the Subjugation. We are talking about the time when 3G networks were still going up and the iphone didn't exist yet. Game streaming was non-existent at worst, very fringe at best so Jason's reference to pre-subjugation Youtube game streaming is inconsistent.
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Re: Revolution Chapter 11 (Spoilers)

Post by Not a ID » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:49 am

kyli wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:51 am
The longer this goes on without anything happening to confirm the dragon dream is the FMS, the more it looks like we might be wrong about it. A few chapters ago, it could have made sense but it feels the story has moved on a bit and revisiting that part any longer then it takes Jason to drop the hammer on those involved in the outbreak would be a bit cliché to me.
I theorized in Chapter 10, and still hold to the general idea that the Dragon is the retrovirus at this point. In chapter 10, I theorized her jump was in regards to efforts to contain the virus. In light of chapter 11, it might be her efforts to assist with the new telepaths that goes badly instead. Until they decide how they're going to approach the Confederation and the rest of the Galaxy about the retrovirus, the dream may not change.

As the Dreamers have previously explained, they can only see up to the point where a choice is likely to go a certain way. But when they're confronted with a "Crossroads Prophecy" event where a choice has to be made but the choice is uncertain, they'll only be able to see up to the point where the crossroad occurs.

Which still points very solidly at "Dahnai's jump" having been her effort to contain the virus outbreak to within the borders of the Imperium. Which we know failed. The moment the chain of events for the virus to be released started(Kevin Ball's fight) would have been the moment that the effort to contain it was likewise a virtual certainty(which seems to match the timeline for when the dreams started). Everything else from beyond that point would be hidden behind "a crossroad," and thus the Dreamers would be blind.

See viewtopic.php?f=12&t=2668#p36788 for where I went into a lot more depth on this.
I already mentioned this in the CO spoiler section but the same mistake was made again in this chapter. Youtube was founded in 2005, the same year as the Subjugation. We are talking about the time when 3G networks were still going up and the iphone didn't exist yet. Game streaming was non-existent at worst, very fringe at best so Jason's reference to pre-subjugation Youtube game streaming is inconsistent.
Going to disagree slightly, but agree in other respects.

As per book one, they arrived on March 12th, 2005. Fraps existed at the time, and some limited streaming(more like podcasting, as it wasn't real-time) type options existed at the time. But you're correct that virtually nobody was making money off of video streams at that point. WoW released on the 23rd of November, 2004 for example and didn't really hit its stride in pop culture until 2006. Now granted, things were in a quasi-limbo for another year of so after the Faey arrive, and the entertainment sector specifically was left alone. But (game) streaming didn't really start to be "a thing" until the tail end of TBC(so 2008-ish) as I recall and even then that was pretty fringe. More people had computers and bandwidth to be able to do it(and the compression algorithms) by then, but not many.

Of course, in the alternate time-line with the Faey and an entertainment sector that gets to jump from Pentium 4's to moleculartronics and Faey telecommunications tech. It's very possible that streaming had a large and much more significant uptick in use much earlier in that timeline because the technology progression is MUCH more rapid but it would be post-subjugation. Of course, we can also "hand-wave" this by citing an unreliable narrator and just say Jason is speaking off-the-cuff on the matter, as we're 17+ years after the Subjugation began, so he could be getting dates confused on when certain things happened.

"E-Sports" on the other hand, were already very much a thing by 2004/2005, Starcraft had been holding major competitive events in Korea for years by then. Many FPS games also were routinely holding (un)official tournaments with substantial prize pools, and the more official tournaments would have had the resources to live-stream what was going on. So while professional streamers(non-competitive) were almost unheard of in 2004/2005, professional gamers(competitive) were definitely out there by then and some were making six figure incomes even then.

Most of the earliest streamers to get appreciable traction were professional (competitive) gamers as they had the name recognition. And I guess that's where things can get annoying for people trying to research that stuff now and trying to figure out exactly what was happening when.

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Re: Revolution Chapter 11 (Spoilers)

Post by kyli » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:10 pm

Not a ID wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:49 am
kyli wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:51 am
I already mentioned this in the CO spoiler section but the same mistake was made again in this chapter. Youtube was founded in 2005, the same year as the Subjugation. We are talking about the time when 3G networks were still going up and the iphone didn't exist yet. Game streaming was non-existent at worst, very fringe at best so Jason's reference to pre-subjugation Youtube game streaming is inconsistent.
Going to disagree slightly, but agree in other respects.

As per book one, they arrived on March 12th, 2005. Fraps existed at the time, and some limited streaming(more like podcasting, as it wasn't real-time) type options existed at the time. But you're correct that virtually nobody was making money off of video streams at that point. WoW released on the 23rd of November, 2004 for example and didn't really hit its stride in pop culture until 2006. Now granted, things were in a quasi-limbo for another year of so after the Faey arrive, and the entertainment sector specifically was left alone. But (game) streaming didn't really start to be "a thing" until the tail end of TBC(so 2008-ish) as I recall and even then that was pretty fringe. More people had computers and bandwidth to be able to do it(and the compression algorithms) by then, but not many.

Of course, in the alternate time-line with the Faey and an entertainment sector that gets to jump from Pentium 4's to moleculartronics and Faey telecommunications tech. It's very possible that streaming had a large and much more significant uptick in use much earlier in that timeline because the technology progression is MUCH more rapid but it would be post-subjugation. Of course, we can also "hand-wave" this by citing an unreliable narrator and just say Jason is speaking off-the-cuff on the matter, as we're 17+ years after the Subjugation began, so he could be getting dates confused on when certain things happened.

"E-Sports" on the other hand, were already very much a thing by 2004/2005, Starcraft had been holding major competitive events in Korea for years by then. Many FPS games also were routinely holding (un)official tournaments with substantial prize pools, and the more official tournaments would have had the resources to live-stream what was going on. So while professional streamers(non-competitive) were almost unheard of in 2004/2005, professional gamers(competitive) were definitely out there by then and some were making six figure incomes even then.

Most of the earliest streamers to get appreciable traction were professional (competitive) gamers as they had the name recognition. And I guess that's where things can get annoying for people trying to research that stuff now and trying to figure out exactly what was happening when.
I was only 7, going on 8 years old at the time. It still sounds as though it was very fringe and nothing like it is today. And youtube streaming which Jason specifically mentions, certainly didn't exist.
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Re: Revolution Chapter 11 (Spoilers)

Post by Fel » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:04 pm

Here's a tip for you: in this alternate reality, Youtube existed before the subjugation.

There, calamity avoided, there will be no time-space paradox that will destroy the universe.

Unless you tempt me.
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Re: Revolution Chapter 11 (Spoilers)

Post by JNMC » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:16 pm

Fel wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:04 pm
Here's a tip for you: in this alternate reality, Youtube existed before the subjugation.

There, calamity avoided, there will be no time-space paradox that will destroy the universe.

Unless you tempt me.
What, you want to introduce Tarrin to the Subjugation Universe?

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Re: Revolution Chapter 11 (Spoilers)

Post by Not a ID » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:21 pm

kyli wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:10 pm
I was only 7, going on 8 years old at the time. It still sounds as though it was very fringe and nothing like it is today. And youtube streaming which Jason specifically mentions, certainly didn't exist.
I'm slightly older than Jason himself is supposed to be(in our timeline). :)

Don't confuse something "being fringe" with not being a viable business model someone can live off of.
Fel wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:04 pm
Here's a tip for you: in this alternate reality, Youtube existed before the subjugation.
Well, in our timeline, Twitch didn't even exist until 2011. =P

But h.264 encoding was introduced as a standard in May of 2003, although (general use) computers at the time(or even at the end of the decade) had to WORK to do the encoding needed. You're certainly not going to be streaming (as a host) on mpeg without a 20mbps upstream connection(assuming 1080p and fast/"light" compression of the data). h.264 had two additional extensions in 2007 and 2009 respectively.

WoW having only released in Europe a month before the Subjugation, with Blizzard announcing 1.5 million subs on March 17th, 2005(two days after the Faey arrived) also tends to limit some of the potential impacts it could have pre-Subjugation. =P

I think unreliable narrator makes a better excuse for most of it, but accelerating certain aspects of the technology in Jason's world works as well.

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Re: Revolution Chapter 11 (Spoilers)

Post by Fel » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:50 pm

JNMC wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:16 pm
Fel wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:04 pm
Here's a tip for you: in this alternate reality, Youtube existed before the subjugation.

There, calamity avoided, there will be no time-space paradox that will destroy the universe.

Unless you tempt me.
What, you want to introduce Tarrin to the Subjugation Universe?
Who says you haven't already seen him?

He's sneaky, you know.
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Re: Revolution Chapter 11 (Spoilers)

Post by kyli » Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:57 am

I definitely wouldn't mind if the Subjugation Universe turned out to be connected to the Tarrin Kael Multiverse. Not just in theory or teasing but actual confirmation.

So are you working on more CO chapters Fel and when will we get them?
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Re: Revolution Chapter 11 (Spoilers)

Post by SoronelHaetir » Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:04 am

I still want to play Citadel, I think making that a reality would be a much better use of your time.

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Re: Revolution Chapter 11 (Spoilers)

Post by Not a ID » Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:48 am

SoronelHaetir wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:04 am
I still want to play Citadel, I think making that a reality would be a much better use of your time.
Sure, all he needs to do is develop a CBIM, moleculartronic jacks, and simsense tech after which he can get right on that. :)

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Re: Revolution Chapter 11 (Spoilers)

Post by SoronelHaetir » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:53 pm

Not a ID wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:48 am
SoronelHaetir wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:04 am
I still want to play Citadel, I think making that a reality would be a much better use of your time.
Sure, all he needs to do is develop a CBIM, moleculartronic jacks, and simsense tech after which he can get right on that. :)
Yeah, so? I don't see the problem. :)

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Re: Revolution Chapter 11 (Spoilers)

Post by mjkj » Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:40 pm

So, I was just wondering about that part of the story:
as Jason's musings, Fel wrote:The other, lesser-known aspect of a Generation was being used by the KMS as a security feature as well, and that was radiation resistance. They had plans to install radiation emitters on every KMS ship that would make the ship hazardous to non-Generations. The ships would have an internal low intensity radiation field that was just enough to cause radiation sickness in invaders after prolonged exposure, but not strong enough to irradiate the Generation’s belongings, thus making him or her a hazard to non-Generations off the ship.
How would that help if all races in the sector/milky way are about to become generations...??? ok, for the next year or two it might help but not so much after that... :?

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Re: Revolution Chapter 11 (Spoilers)

Post by kyli » Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:44 pm

mjkj wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:40 pm
So, I was just wondering about that part of the story:
as Jason's musings, Fel wrote:The other, lesser-known aspect of a Generation was being used by the KMS as a security feature as well, and that was radiation resistance. They had plans to install radiation emitters on every KMS ship that would make the ship hazardous to non-Generations. The ships would have an internal low intensity radiation field that was just enough to cause radiation sickness in invaders after prolonged exposure, but not strong enough to irradiate the Generation’s belongings, thus making him or her a hazard to non-Generations off the ship.
How would that help if all races in the sector/milky way are about to become generations...??? ok, for the next year or two it might help but not so much after that... :?
You forget,one of the biggest threats right now is non-generation races beginning a war of genocide against the Generations. And depending on which route they take, it might be a lot longer then 2 years before everyone is a Generation. The Karinnes are also scouting the surrounding galaxies and the greater universe. Always good to have an extra security feature against non radiation resistant species as that's what most species out there are.
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Re: Revolution Chapter 11 (Spoilers)

Post by NSC » Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:41 pm

I'm rather surprised that Jason, and Dahnai, appear to have moved on so quickly without tearing down the medical service and pinpointing the individual responsible for the retrovirus, and making a galaxy wide example of them.

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