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Not a ID wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:50 am I'm still keeping my "money" on the "Prime World" for the Subjugation Universe being in the Kypan Void not too far removed from Earth.
My money would be on Earth. Humans are somewhat common in the multiverse and Earth has Humans.
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kyli wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:21 pm
Not a ID wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:50 am I'm still keeping my "money" on the "Prime World" for the Subjugation Universe being in the Kypan Void not too far removed from Earth.
My money would be on Earth. Humans are somewhat common in the multiverse and Earth has Humans.
As I think about it, that could work, but only if the Kypan Void is, in fact, a void. And I'm still dubious of that.

Hadn't considered the matter that while the Faey seem to keep turning up in this setting(and are, in fact modified humans) the humans themselves are rather absent from the wider stage. Of course, this completely wild theory runs into problems with the matter that Humans evolved on Earth in this universe.

It could be those religious extremists are "the first evolution" of humans in the Subjugation Universe and through some means they were initially from the region of space that now hosts the Kypan Void. How and why they ended up where they are is another entirely different can of worms at that point. Especially as it both relates to the matter of how Earth was left in place, and the backstory on the Faey being a primitive sub-race of telepathic humans when their history diverged from that of the human's on Earth. Unless that happened at some point after the "banishment" happened to the first group.

But could also suggest the Kimdori may have a "secret" they're keeping about the humans in that world/universe which we haven't been made aware of yet. And while certain Kimdori had previously professed ignorance of Humans prior to the Faey finding the world, there is possibly more to that story. In any case, I'm expecting the Kimdori have some secrets they've been keeping, even from their cousins, which relate to at least some of the "Revelations" that are going to be made.
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I just reread Unification and had two thoughts about Tarrin. The first is Jason's communications technician Gerin - positioned well to observe, but a" minor" side character.

My other thought is a Major departure from all of the discussion to this point on the subject, and raises a host of new interesting topics for debate:

Amber, the Vulpar kit.

Delivered by Miaari at a nearly impossibly young age, it is never said where Miaari got the kit or who the mother is. Perfectly positioned to be in the middle of Everything surrounding Jason.
Could Miaari (or Denmother?) be an agent of the God of Gods? Could the discussion here about humans be closer to home than thought? Could the Kimdori be keepers of such massive secrets as to where the Faey and Humans come from (both transplanted from who knows where)? What is in the archives of the Hearth that even Denmother Zaa doesn't know? So many questions.
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Amber's personality is very different from Tarrin. I also think Tarrin would choose to remain male even if he did take the form of an animal.
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miraborn wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 1:11 amCould Miaari (or Denmother?) be an agent of the God of Gods?
Possible, it's even probably someone among the Kimdori is an agent for the God of Gods, but it doesn't have to be the Denmother. We have precedence for that with Tarrin's story itself. The agents of the God of Gods don't serve as heads of the organizations on their respective worlds. (Which also better allows them to come and go) But while the Denmother herself may not be that agent, it doesn't mean she's unaware of who the agent is.
Could the discussion here about humans be closer to home than thought? Could the Kimdori be keepers of such massive secrets as to where the Faey and Humans come from (both transplanted from who knows where)?
As I recall, Fel has estabilshed Earth is, in fact, Earth for those humans. They did come from there. The Faey, in turn, came from Earth(Terra) in its distant past as well. They didn't come "from somewhere else." So any explanation of things has to hold that as a constant. Any Humans or Faey encountered in the wider universe all ultimately hail from Earth. So a backstory would need to be generated to account for how the humans in (insert location here) managed to get from Earth to where they are, and why there are (presumably) no signs of their departure from Earth.
What is in the archives of the Hearth that even Denmother Zaa doesn't know? So many questions.
Not possible to know at this time.
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Anyone read revelation chapter 6? Jason's eye colour change!!!! Getting pretty interesting
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The end of ch. 7 worries me. Those Ulala are shady. I don't trust them one bit. It seems like Jason feels the same way, but it also seems like he is underestimating their cunning. It seems like they have the duplicitousness of the Faey turned up to 11.
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Yeah, they are more than a bit suspicious. And yeah, remember how...fractured and scheming the Fey are even after Jason and the empress have stamped down on that sort of thing. These super advanced versions who have super advanced tech...yeah, I'm a bit worried, though Jason seems to be trying to keep an eye on them.

We will see how this all plays out I guess.
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Shady?

Keep an eye on them?

Silly puppies, you forget something.

She's coming to Karis.

Who is on Karis?

Miaari.

Why do you think Jason wanted her to come to him? Not to show her Karis, but to get her within reach of a Kimdori.
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Fel wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 8:56 pm Shady?

Keep an eye on them?

Silly puppies, you forget something.

She's coming to Karis.

Who is on Karis?

Miaari.

Why do you think Jason wanted her to come to him? Not to show her Karis, but to get her within reach of a Kimdori.
Ooooooooh you can say that. You just can't!!! I soooo need the next chapter now.

Also I don't know why I didn't think of that. I definitely should have. I blame the fact that to avoid insanity, I don't think about the story much between chapters.
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So far, I've only read the Subjugation series, so the other speculation here has made me excited I have a lot more reading to do!

My tinfoil theory is that an ancient intergalactic species came across humans on Earth long before recorded history. Through genetic manipulation, they created the Faey subspecies that could thrive in a wide variety of environments. Possibly as a result of this experimentation, they may have unlocked or otherwise introduced telepathy, and because of the highly successful nature of Faey adaptability, they seeded small Faey colonies across an unknown number of galaxies.

I suspect the modern Kimdori would have no knowledge of such events, and I think it's probable that it's not in their archive either. I'd guess that it happened long enough ago that none of the intelligent races in the 'seeded' galaxies have any knowledge of it. The lack of an established intelligent species seems like a reasonable selection criteria for the placement of Faey colonies in the first place.

All of this doesn't seem like a huge leap, so this is where I consider my tinfoil really kicking in:

I think the gravitational anomaly out in the middle of 'flat space' was a waystation of the seeding race. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line, so it's quite likely that any intergalactic travel would pass within a fairly small radius of the midpoint between galaxies. Such a station would be ideally placed if it were designed to detect the achievement of intergalactic travel via passing hyperspace wakes. The scout missions may have inadvertently triggered the next phase of an extremely ancient plan, possibly the next 'big bad', because I fully expect an alert is going off on some console wherever the seed race ended up...

Possibly unrelated, but I keep expecting one of the advanced species we encounter to be Artificial like the CBs. Through the meeting with Estrella, I was somewhat expecting a reveal that the Bru was rogue AI that The Republic had created before it got out of hand, possibly through a Rook-like mutation, causing the need to barricade themselves within their own galaxy.

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Corru wrote: Tue Jun 07, 2022 9:19 pm So far, I've only read the Subjugation series, so the other speculation here has made me excited I have a lot more reading to do!
First off, you really should read the Sennadar books. They are awesome, and it's been confirmed that the Subjugation Universe is part of the multiverse in Sennadar, although at this point, the only obvious hint in the story is the mirror thing.

Second, there are a few things that were mostly confirmed a while ago. I think it's confirmed that Earth is the original planet. It's getting a little more obvious everytime they discover a new sub species and they all have telepathy, etc. The humans seem to be the only unaltered race. This also happened around 40000 years ago. As for the big bad coming out to strike, I can't see that. This arc is pretty much confirmed to wrap up, with the next and final book, Benidiction, wrapping up the whole series. So if there is a big bad villain, I expect it to finish relatively quickly. Although this arc might also be the longest one.
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It will be.

Revelation isn't so much an arc as it is a full-out novel length story.

I expect it to go 20 chapters MINIMUM. It might even go as high as 30, given I expected to only be on chapter 5 at this point in the story.

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My biggest question still is this one:
I’m not the Imperium, Jason. I’m Jyslin Shaddale. Until they put the crown on my head, don’t blame me for how they do things.”
She glanced at Symone, and Jason could feel…something, a fringe of something that passed between them. Were they using telepathy to communicate?
From the first book
and if it was not a possible arc that was left when the story progressed might it be linked with
"You’ve seen me in your dreams, sweetling?” Jyslin asked.
“Mah, but I didn’t recognize you at first, because you wear a mask in my dream,” she answered. “But I figured it out.”
“What does she do in your dream?” Jason asked.
Aria sniffled a bit. “She loves me and takes care of me, like my own mother would have,” she said.
Jyslin’s eyes just melted, and she collected up Aria in her arms. “That already came true, my sweetling,” she cooed to her. “I already love you.”
Well, that certainly explained to Jason why Aria warmed up to Jyslin so fast. She must have seen her in her visions, Jason’s wife and her foster mother. But why the mask? That seemed unusual, and it also seemed strangely important. “Do you know why she was wearing a mask in your dream, Aria?” Jason asked.
“Neh,” she answered, which was her word for no. “I take the mask off in my dream, I just don’t remember what’s behind it. She just smiles at me and puts it back on and tells me that I’ll understand when I’m older.”
from Conviction.
But it's strange because Jyslin getsts touched by Miaari and Jason a lot to have secrets left.
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