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Apparently, some of the texts the Chinese have will soon have been translated, I wonder if the next scion, will be used to allow a mission to china to intercept the courier for the books?
It might be a trap, but it is necessary to see what the books fully contain. They might send the route the courier would use, which allows them to attempt to get the books.
If they learn what is in their hands, easier to deal with them. They better be prepared for any weapons designed to deal with an Earth dragon's immunity.
To have made such a formula, the wizards involved had to know alot about dragons, in particular earth dragon'

I just had an idea, we know that they can change stuff from one thing into another, so long as the rules are followed, how hard would it be to create Oil. If magic could solve that issue, it would allow alot of change.
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SYED wrote: I just had an idea, we know that they can change stuff from one thing into another, so long as the rules are followed, how hard would it be to create Oil. If magic could solve that issue, it would allow alot of change.
Bah, must it be oil? They have magic! How about a magic drive system, that can replace oil. Go to the next gas station to tank mana! Absolutely no exhaust, clear as a spring day. And the engine is as silent as your pc. :-)
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MartinK wrote:
SYED wrote: I just had an idea, we know that they can change stuff from one thing into another, so long as the rules are followed, how hard would it be to create Oil. If magic could solve that issue, it would allow alot of change.
Bah, must it be oil? They have magic! How about a magic drive system, that can replace oil. Go to the next gas station to tank mana! Absolutely no exhaust, clear as a spring day. And the engine is as silent as your pc. :-)
This is something that the dragons are thinking of, but not in cars. If you recall, they're toying with the idea of magically-driven electric generators. Using magic to replace fuel in many other mechanical devices is a logical next step.
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FInding a magical way to make oil would be great, as oil is not only used for fuel but the creations of plastics and other materials. And as it was produced via magic, it would be the sole truly enviromentally friendly method of getting it. If oil is not possible, there is always biofuels and similar alternative energies.

Since the dragons are becoming energy users, it would make sense to find ways to improve effincy and dependantcy by seeing if magic can help solve problem. BUt what would happen if magic was being used large scale by an industrialised society. THere is a limit to the amount of magic produced by the Earth dragons, so what would happen if technomantic creations were draining the field of magic dry, it would simply be a new energy crisis. Instead of directly powering civilisation, could magic simply improve the methods of energy production, to lessen the need for constant supplies of magical power.
Apparently, once the earth dragon population reached a certain size, instead of continuing to increase magic, the race continued to produce the sum total of magical energy, but evenly divided amongst their increasing numbers. SO much so that it was not possible to even detect the magic they were given off as it was hidden by background magical energy. It could be that if more magic was used up, the amount of enrgy they emit would be increased automaticly by their very nature.

I wonder due to the need to secure the protection of hte ED, they create an item that mimics the air bubble spell of the water dragons, so their grounded relations can simply walk accross the sea bed, or simply swim.
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FInding a magical way to make oil would be great, as oil is not only used for fuel but the creations of plastics and other materials. And as it was produced via magic, it would be the sole truly enviromentally friendly method of getting it. If oil is not possible, there is always biofuels and similar alternative energies.

Since the dragons are becoming energy users, it would make sense to find ways to improve effincy and dependantcy by seeing if magic can help solve problem. BUt what would happen if magic was being used large scale by an industrialised society. THere is a limit to the amount of magic produced by the Earth dragons, so what would happen if technomantic creations were draining the field of magic dry, it would simply be a new energy crisis. Instead of directly powering civilisation, could magic simply improve the methods of energy production, to lessen the need for constant supplies of magical power.
Apparently, once the earth dragon population reached a certain size, instead of continuing to increase magic, the race continued to produce the sum total of magical energy, but evenly divided amongst their increasing numbers. SO much so that it was not possible to even detect the magic they were given off as it was hidden by background magical energy. It could be that if more magic was used up, the amount of enrgy they emit would be increased automaticly by their very nature.

I wonder due to the need to secure the protection of hte ED, they create an item that mimics the air bubble spell of the water dragons, so their grounded relations can simply walk accross the sea bed, or simply swim.
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SYED wrote:FInding a magical way to make oil would be great, as oil is not only used for fuel but the creations of plastics and other materials. And as it was produced via magic, it would be the sole truly enviromentally friendly method of getting it. If oil is not possible, there is always biofuels and similar alternative energies.
I've never understood how people can call plastic "enviromentally friendly" and "green". The stuff does not rot. It does not decay. It will stay the way it is for thousands of years without change. And people seem to not care about the world around them. They use plastic and then simply throw it away after one use. Have you read what the results are? There are carpets of small plastic pieces the size of nations out there swimming in the ocean. Fish try to eat it. And people simply are happy if a logo on plastic products declare it as "green".

There are other materials that don't decay. Metals are an example. However, metals are rare and expensive enough that it makes sense financially to take the old products, take them apart and extract the metals. Plastic... is so cheap, we even use it for a multitude of food products in the next supermarket.

Not every plastic is made out of oil, btw. After all, oil is simply very old decayed and compressed plant matter. As such, its only logical that there are lots of other ways to make it. So no worry, we have solutions for the time when oil is getting too expensive to use for plastic production or fuel already. Its simply that those are more expensive than using oil.
Since the dragons are becoming energy users, it would make sense to find ways to improve effincy and dependantcy by seeing if magic can help solve problem. BUt what would happen if magic was being used large scale by an industrialised society. THere is a limit to the amount of magic produced by the Earth dragons, so what would happen if technomantic creations were draining the field of magic dry, it would simply be a new energy crisis. Instead of directly powering civilisation, could magic simply improve the methods of energy production, to lessen the need for constant supplies of magical power.
We already have ways to produce energy out of wind, sunshine, water that are never going to stop working. Only the energy we get through burning finite resources has to be replaced. And if magic can be used to replace part of that, all the better. If magic gets used up faster than it gets generated by Earth Dragons, why, make more EDs. ;) That is also a great way to protect them. Imagine a world that depends on magic for 40%+ of their energy production as well as certain things that can't otherwise be accomplished. One day, it will become known that EDs are whats powering that. No nation on earth would want to kill them off - they couldn't without... well... lets call it national suicide.

However, it could become a problem if some nations get the idea that they should capture EDs for their protection. Can't let them run around, imagine how dangerous that would be. Other nations could get to them first! And i'm sure the magic is richest right next to those dragons.

BTW: double post! Shame on you ;)
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DId you not read my post? increasing the number of earth dragons after a certain level does nothing to increase the size of the magical field. After a certain number, the combined earth dragon population produced the same sum total amount of magical energy, but evenly divided between each member. SO increasing the number of them, simply decrease the amount of magic each produces individually. It is possible that if there is sufficient depletion of magical energy, this would force the earth dragons to increase production but we simply do not know. Reread the chapters where it is revealed that magic comes from the earth dragons, if you dont believe me.

The reason i suggested theyy get involved in producing oil or its products, as it would be a source of money and influence, giving the dragons another card to play with their interaction with humans. Also, due to the percieved coming war for the limited resources of the world, being a reliable and secure source could be very helpful in gaining allies.
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MartinK wrote:... That is also a great way to protect them. Imagine a world that depends on magic for 40%+ of their energy production as well as certain things that can't otherwise be accomplished. One day, it will become known that EDs are whats powering that. No nation on earth would want to kill them off - they couldn't without... well... lets call it national suicide.
Well, that would only work for rational thinking humans - but not for terrorists and fanatics who wants the world back in the stone age.
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I wonder if magic would allow for magical power plants infrastructure to be less desperse and independant from each other. That way atrgeting the energy system would be futile, as there could no large scale disruption of hte power grid.
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SYED wrote:I wonder if magic would allow for magical power plants infrastructure to be less desperse and independant from each other. That way atrgeting the energy system would be futile, as there could no large scale disruption of hte power grid.
You mean more disperse and independant, not less, right?

Even today that should already be possible. You can't drive through a city for a mile without seeing a rooftop with solarpanels. And drive a few miles outside of those cities and you will more often than not see a few wind generators. At least thats the situation in europe. If those energy sources wouldn't only be build by local investor groups but bigger companies combined with a load balancing technology a disruption of even a few houses together would necessitate cutting several power cables. And anything bigger will get increasingly ridiculous in the numbers of cables or routing points to cut or destroy.

But the bigger companies are sticking to nuclear power or fossil fuels since that way they and only they stay in power. No group of simple people can get together and build a power plant there. It costs billions. A solar paneled roof or a wind generator can be financed easily compared to that.

Seeing that, i doubt any of the big energy producers would be happy to switch to power generation by magic means. Rather, they probably would try to throw lots of walls in it's way. Since that's already the usual reaction of any powerful companies in the face of new technology that threatens to change how 'it was always done' it's bound to result in lots of new laws by the government if the people there manage to see the advantages for the immediate and far future more than the lobby payments in the near future.

On the other hand, at least outside of densely populated areas, the power generators driven by gas could be easily replaced by those driven by magic. And once that gets started, its likely that more and more communities or small towns are thinking about switching to magic. Would be interesting how far the big companies could go down without loosing money if they suddenly find themselves facing competition. Energy, after all, is the second largest market worldwide behind oil.
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Prisma said it was a simple spell to power something with a motion spell, so if it is like those drift light, a prime source of money if sold on the open market. Imagine bicycles and similar vehicles that pedal themselves.
With the believed issues of the depleted fossil fuels, the opportunity to avoid the issue would be eagerly taken.

If so simple, then it would be easy for student magicians to learn and perform, so as ,magic spreads, so will this spell. Sure at the beginning the dragons will have the manonoploy of magical gear.

It is true the magor power companies would be against magic energy generation, but if the expand in the lesser power needs, If they get big enough penertation in to that market, then if they attempt to go large scale, easier to get accepted.
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SYED wrote:Prisma said it was a simple spell to power something with a motion spell, so if it is like those drift light, a prime source of money if sold on the open market. Imagine bicycles and similar vehicles that pedal themselves.
*shudder* Every car, every flying machine, every bicycle, every skateboard.... magic is not unlimited and even if it were, i wouldn't want to change one dependancy to another. A simple motion spell might be basic magic, but in return there'll certainly be simple spells that will disrupt such a thing. Better to convert that power into energy and use that to drive things. The only thing that would stop that way of moving machines would be an EMP and that is not something that is easy to come by.

With the believed issues of the depleted fossil fuels, the opportunity to avoid the issue would be eagerly taken.
I seem to remember that fossil fuels should be expected to run out shortly. The same phrase was spoken decades ago and still, somehow 'they' found a new oil field here, another one there and we haven't run out yet. I get the feeling that the oil companies are very careful to walk on the edge between "the world will end tomorrow, the oil will stop" and "there is still oil for 40 years at least". On the one side they can't let the panic spread too much so that people go for alternative energy sources, on the other hand they can't let that bit of panic die out because that would mean less income overall.
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There will be need to be 3 types of magical energy powered systems, large scale infrastructure, engines and generaators, as well as batteries.

The dragons must realise that money speaks alot, i can see them hiring a PR company to help encourage magicians and a favourable impression of dragons, and increase the desire for magic. TO interact with humans, having a lot of money would really be helpful. Even if they dont go large scale, they are likely to become a specialty industry.
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Might be another option to confronting the energy companies directly, one the earth dragons might especially like: farms. Many farmers already try to enhance their income by installing modern windmills or solar panels to collect energy they can sell back to the power companies. So, sell them kits for small-scale "mana generators" that supposedly convert the life energy of growing plants into electricity; I know that's not how the magic works, but as the dragons don't want to let out that the earth dragons are the source, it's a viable excuse for a world totally ignorant of how magic works. Farms often have sufficient room to add small constructions, and while it costs the perennially poor farmers little, it lets them sell off a lot of surplus power. Besides, kits for farmers have a good distribution network, even somewhat into third world countries, so could help out communities there.
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There are those people that believe in being as self sufficient as possible, and all those doomsday prepers. They would love to have ways that are not dependant on the grid or some huge infrastructure. There are whole websites dedicated to ways to be independant and how best to survive on minimal resources.
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