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SHadow walker chapter 23 Thoughts and spoilers

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So the end of the loremasters is coming. So from what i understand, the plan is when the battle begins, the arcan army will retreat while the shadow arcans steal siege weaponry. This will then be used to fortify the crystal mines or the ways into the west. The arcans will destroy the mines, while making the stand against the human armies.
The attack against the city will become a brawl when the loremasters are dealt with. By the time the human armies have settled the fighting, and united againnst the arcan, haven will have armed their armies with as much alchemical and non alchemical weaponry as possible, making it too costly to win. Also. once the city has fallen, the shadow walkers will be raiding the human armies for supplies and gear to aid the army.

WIth the new guns, the arcans will become the premier gun makers of noram. So the freed arcans will build and make farms, so feed rhe humans help build a peace.

Haven is on the shores of the great lakes correct. These lakes were linked to the eastern coast as well as the gulf of mexico, via water ways and canals. THe one going to the east is likely the deep river, though if not could it also be used to trade with the human nations. Has the human nation expanded to cover the rivers to the south that link to the lakes? This would allow Haven access to the sea trades and ports. Also, I believe that it potentially links to the west coast. Even though they have not been maintained over the centuries, if surveyed could be repaired and put back to work.

So alchemy depends on the alchemist, so could a device or shaman spell be created to help determin those better suited to alchemy, so make more alchemists.

So the device that kyvern wants, seems to be a mass collar grounder. The thing is even if all arcans are freed, some would not escape as they have been so enslaved. There are also the wild arcan, what will happen to them, if the fully sentient ones rebel and escape, wont they get hunted down, and dealt with. SInce arcans are partly alchemical in nature, could there be a device that allows kyvern to communicate to them at once, so lead them to safety.
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Did i miss it or is the explanation on how danna became pregnant not in the story yet? I remember kyvern planning how to prevent that ... I need to read the whole story again.
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You missed it, and given the amount of space given to it and the aftershock(s), you might have missed the entire chapter.

Reading the whole story again is a way to remedy that.
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You do have to consider that its more than probable that arcans have run south into Central and maybe all the way to South America while fleeing slavery. Those arcans might be completely cut off from Heaven and shaman contact. As a matter of fact, what is going on on those regions? Noraam isnt too isolated from those places as from what was Europe or Africa, since there is a land passage.
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IshenWolf wrote:You do have to consider that its more than probable that arcans have run south into Central and maybe all the way to South America while fleeing slavery. Those arcans might be completely cut off from Heaven and shaman contact. As a matter of fact, what is going on on those regions? Noraam isnt too isolated from those places as from what was Europe or Africa, since there is a land passage.
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IshenWolf wrote:You do have to consider that its more than probable that arcans have run south into Central and maybe all the way to South America while fleeing slavery. Those arcans might be completely cut off from Heaven and shaman contact. As a matter of fact, what is going on on those regions? Noraam isnt too isolated from those places as from what was Europe or Africa, since there is a land passage.
Some really nasty monsters might have made their homes there.
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I think there were some mention of creatures in mexico area, possibly in the northern american region. They could help take over the gulf.

So with the fall of the loremasters coming, and haven known to the kingdoms, would the shaman organise the alchemists into a special think tank? THeir job is to create devices to replicate shaman spells and abilities.


Is there a map or norami to help visualise the story?

were the monsters made by the ancients? or simply the resault of the breach? if there are no crystals to feed them, what will they doo.
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IshenWolf wrote:As a matter of fact, what is going on on those regions?
Thinking on it further, the spirits would have probably sent shaman to either gather any such groups or to establish other population centers of arcans.

If the spirits are what we have been led to believe they are so far...
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SYED wrote:So with the fall of the loremasters coming, and haven known to the kingdoms, would the shaman organise the alchemists into a special think tank? THeir job is to create devices to replicate shaman spells and abilities.
The Loremasters already built such a system using the guilds to collect and develop new devices. In Haven the arcans appear to be working together to train and encourage alchemist skills. If Virren and others move to towns and villages like Vanguard then they should gain those skills quickly.
SYED wrote:Is there a map or norami to help visualise the story?
It has been discussed here before. I even considered making one myself with rough journey tracks overlaid. In the end though I felt that they wouldn't aid me all that much more than a blank relief map of North America.
SYED wrote:were the monsters made by the ancients? or simply the resault of the breach? if there are no crystals to feed them, what will they doo.
Some may have been made by the ancients but many were made by the Breach (e.g. shadow foxes). Not all monsters eat crystals plus there is no indication that any monsters need to eat any crystals to survive. They may just be monster chocolate. 8)
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WOuld the monsters that enjoy crystals be tempted to feed on arcans?

The human armies want the crystals the loremasters have, as well as what alchemical tools they they have? WHile the arcans would like the supplies, what they should go after is their alchemical libraries. It must have designs of devices they allow no one but themselves access to. Also, such a library would allow haven to be the centre of the alchemical world.

THe arcans were created via a similar breach in the arcan machine, so could the alchemy allow for more monster to get created.

If there is a halt in the trade of crystals, then what will all the alchemists do? Why not offer alchemists the opportunity to join villages like vanguard, so can continue their trade?
If there is a way to make arcan, a way to make monsters, can shaman be created or at least encouraged? Create a device to emit spiritual energy on to the humans of the land, so the potential grows.
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expedient wrote:Some may have been made by the ancients but many were made by the Breach (e.g. shadow foxes). Not all monsters eat crystals plus there is no indication that any monsters need to eat any crystals to survive. They may just be monster chocolate. 8)
This is essentially correct. Monsters eat crystals to power their magical abilities. Monsters can live without them, but when the crystals are gone, the monsters won't have their strongest magical powers.

This will cause some monster species to die out, mainly those that absolutely rely on their powers to survive. But most monster species will live on, they'll just adapt to not having all of their powers.
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Quick question, I know that all arcans are based on mamalian species, but are all of the monsters also based upon mamalian species? Could there be some super crocs / alligators in Florens? ADHD dolphins on steroids? Vampiric mosquitos from hell?
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SO some monsters would face becoming the animal companions of shaman, domesticated by the Arcan people or simply die out.

Could we get a list of the human kingdoms, and the towns and regions they now control so easier to imagine the coming war?

That crippled town, who is aiming to scoop it up again now that it has been shattered?

Seeing as kyvern predicts, north versus south, then turn on each other? Would kyvern and the others sell some crystal to the nroth to allow them to drain more of the strength of the southern kingdoms?

THose mini breach spirit power sources, could they be used in the aircraft, eventually lead to arcans free to trade.
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SYED wrote:SO some monsters would face becoming the animal companions of shaman, domesticated by the Arcan people or simply die out.

Could we get a list of the human kingdoms, and the towns and regions they now control so easier to imagine the coming war?

That crippled town, who is aiming to scoop it up again now that it has been shattered?

Seeing as kyvern predicts, north versus south, then turn on each other? Would kyvern and the others sell some crystal to the nroth to allow them to drain more of the strength of the southern kingdoms?

THose mini breach spirit power sources, could they be used in the aircraft, eventually lead to arcans free to trade.
Those mini breach power sources, that alchemists could figure out and cause another disaster, that may harm spirits, and who knows how their use will effect the balance between the spirit world and the material. That doesn't even account possible leaks of spirit energy and how it might change things. So no I don't think the spirits want that any time soon if ever.
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That does beg the question if those devices can only access the spirits dimension and not another. Breaching holes into the Cthulhu universe would open up a whole other can of worms.
Also, i was wondering if Kyven could in fact make crystals, if he imposed a belief/reality in which he could create crystals on to the shared reality.
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