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Re: Kit - Chapter 37 [Spoilers]

Post by Dreamer » Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:16 pm

:idea: What if it was Kit's father? Could Lucas have set something up via lawyers to pass on some info and money to the Paladins to insure that his family line would remain pure? How could Vil and Kit get their revenge upon someone who already died? Something like this is definitely worthy of the EVIL of Fel, isn't it? and if not, maybe I have just raised the stakes?

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Re: Kit - Chapter 37 [Spoilers]

Post by kd7mvs » Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:55 am

In regard to the tunnel and who knew about it, while nothing canonical has been said about it I strongly feel that Luke II used it for PPC dealings, and thus anyone in a leadership position during his time would likely know about it, and he's been dead less than 2 years so that leaves most of the current PPC leadership aware of the tunnel. Remember Kit started his travels after the funeral, and it was six months down the line when he met Jessie; yes, I should go do the math but having just finished Mom's 2007 tax return numbers are not getting crunched just now!

Even if the tunnel's existence was restricted via a cell structure, presuming the upper levels of the PPC utilize that type of organization, it still leaves several knowing about it; all this presumes that it was utilized for PPC stuff, again remember Fel has not made his voice heard on this.

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Re: Kit - Chapter 37 [Spoilers]

Post by Hearly » Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:13 am

kd7mvs wrote:In regard to the tunnel and who knew about it, while nothing canonical has been said about it I strongly feel that Luke II used it for PPC dealings, and thus anyone in a leadership position during his time would likely know about it, and he's been dead less than 2 years so that leaves most of the current PPC leadership aware of the tunnel. Remember Kit started his travels after the funeral, and it was six months down the line when he met Jessie; yes, I should go do the math but having just finished Mom's 2007 tax return numbers are not getting crunched just now!

Even if the tunnel's existence was restricted via a cell structure, presuming the upper levels of the PPC utilize that type of organization, it still leaves several knowing about it; all this presumes that it was utilized for PPC stuff, again remember Fel has not made his voice heard on this.

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Kd, the problem is the guys who got caught said that they were paid 10k each and told of the tunnel..

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Re: Kit - Chapter 37 [Spoilers]

Post by boballab » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:23 am

Hearly wrote:
kd7mvs wrote:In regard to the tunnel and who knew about it, while nothing canonical has been said about it I strongly feel that Luke II used it for PPC dealings, and thus anyone in a leadership position during his time would likely know about it, and he's been dead less than 2 years so that leaves most of the current PPC leadership aware of the tunnel. Remember Kit started his travels after the funeral, and it was six months down the line when he met Jessie; yes, I should go do the math but having just finished Mom's 2007 tax return numbers are not getting crunched just now!

Even if the tunnel's existence was restricted via a cell structure, presuming the upper levels of the PPC utilize that type of organization, it still leaves several knowing about it; all this presumes that it was utilized for PPC stuff, again remember Fel has not made his voice heard on this.

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Kd, the problem is the guys who got caught said that they were paid 10k each and told of the tunnel..
Yeah but those guys are just the low level thugs attached to the Paladin group not the high level leaders. Remember Kit has stated that his father was in the PPC and he believes that Vulpan money help started the group in the 1800's. So knowing those things it is logical that the head of the Vulpan family, starting with Kitstrom Arthur in the 1800's, probably was the head of the PPC. Not the figurehead that runs out and makes speachs but the real power behind the group. Steve we now know is the head of the Paladin action group of PPC. How did Steve get that position? Through action or through nepotism? We know that Zach and Alicia was the ones that initiated him into the PPC. That right there shows that Zach has to have a lot of pull in the PPC. Also remember the Elders are not stupid they would get a cutout to make the arrangements for a hit not meet the thugs themselves, if they were going to use them for something like that.

I find the idea that it might be something Lucas left behind interesting. It would certainly fit his personality and temper, however there is one thing that probably negates it. Lucas died of a sudden heart attack. It would make sense that he would set something like that up if he was dying of cancer and had only like 3 months to live, but he was only 49 at the time so I doubt he did that, he was too busy making Kit's life miserable.
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Re: Kit - Chapter 37 [Spoilers]

Post by Hearly » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:25 am

boballab wrote: Yeah but those guys are just the low level thugs attached to the Paladin group not the high level leaders. Remember Kit has stated that his father was in the PPC and he believes that Vulpan money help started the group in the 1800's. So knowing those things it is logical that the head of the Vulpan family, starting with Kitstrom Arthur in the 1800's, probably was the head of the PPC. Not the figurehead that runs out and makes speachs but the real power behind the group. Steve we now know is the head of the Paladin action group of PPC. How did Steve get that position? Through action or through nepotism? We know that Zach and Alicia was the ones that initiated him into the PPC. That right there shows that Zach has to have a lot of pull in the PPC. Also remember the Elders are not stupid they would get a cutout to make the arrangements for a hit not meet the thugs themselves, if they were going to use them for something like that.

I find the idea that it might be something Lucas left behind interesting. It would certainly fit his personality and temper, however there is one thing that probably negates it. Lucas died of a sudden heart attack. It would make sense that he would set something like that up if he was dying of cancer and had only like 3 months to live, but he was only 49 at the time so I doubt he did that, he was too busy making Kit's life miserable.
That sounds kinda reasonable, BUT why would Zach use a group he's affiliated with? that would just be dumb

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Re: Kit - Chapter 37 [Spoilers]

Post by boballab » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:29 am

Hearly wrote:That sounds kinda reasonable, BUT why would Zach use a group he's affiliated with? that would just be dumb
Thats why I never believed Zach had anything to do with the attempt. He knows that Kit knows he is involved with the PPC and so does the rest of the family including Vil. Zach might not be the sharpest tool in the shed but he isn't that dumb. If he was going to do it he would have hired a pro not PPC thugs, not for something like this. Actually that is one of the reasons the person I suspect is behind the attempt hired PPC thugs because of Zach's involvement with the PPC and Kit's throwing him and Alicia out of Stonebrook. If something went wrong who is everyone going to blame? Zach. He makes a nice patsy for anyone else to make the attempt because he has all those nice motives, like 100 million motives.
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Re: Kit - Chapter 37 [Spoilers]

Post by Hearly » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:46 pm

Could the Brighton's change Kit's opinion that Money is a Curse? They seem to be a happy family with as much wealth as the Vulpans and there doesn't seem to be a curse there...

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Re: Kit - Chapter 37 [Spoilers]

Post by miraborn » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:38 pm

Hearly wrote:Could the Brighton's change Kit's opinion that Money is a Curse? They seem to be a happy family with as much wealth as the Vulpans and there doesn't seem to be a curse there...
It would be an interesting question to pose to Winston Brighton as to whether money is a curse. I think he would respond with something like "It has the potential to be a burden, depending on how one uses, relies on, and manages the money and everything else associated with it. Am I different since I have money? Maybe - but I still think I am a good fur. I take the time needed to foster a good family and I try not to overlook the small things that help make this family what it is - like enjoying this week with my new daughter-in-law and her family. Did Kit have a troublesome childhood? No question. Did money get in the way? Probably - but more than likely it was greed of money and greed of station, or perceived station, that affected his father and uncles. As is said, 'power corrupts' and that can hold true to money as well. When you have money in sufficient quantity, you can get away with a lot, and have the power by extension to do a lot more. It takes a strong fur to have all that money and power and not abuse it. Lucas was not a strong man - he was powerful, but lacked the inner strength to wield that power in an appropriate manner. Kit needs to realize that there are two sides to that coin, and his father was certainly on the wrong side. He and Jessie, and Vilenne too, have the inner strength to do what is right with the money and power, and not abuse it or others with it."

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Re: Kit - Chapter 37 [Spoilers]

Post by expedient » Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:05 pm

Hearly wrote:Could the Brighton's change Kit's opinion that Money is a Curse? They seem to be a happy family with as much wealth as the Vulpans and there doesn't seem to be a curse there...
This is a good point. With Kit becoming closer to the Vulpan cousins and Vil's meddling, I imagine it could a issue soon raised. He will be surrounded by wealth by association no matter what.
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Re: Kit - Chapter 37 [Spoilers]

Post by dellstart » Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:19 am

expedient wrote:
Hearly wrote:Could the Brighton's change Kit's opinion that Money is a Curse? They seem to be a happy family with as much wealth as the Vulpans and there doesn't seem to be a curse there...
This is a good point. With Kit becoming closer to the Vulpan cousins and Vil's meddling, I imagine it could a issue soon raised. He will be surrounded by wealth by association no matter what.
Will he really? I imagine as soon as he can , he will off back in Austin,and as much as possible all those old barriers will go right back up.Whilst he will for sure a much improved relationship with a lot of members of his family, Vils meddling is nothing new or something he cant handle.Nope , he and Jessie are going back behind that protective wall , and once he figures what to do with the mansion , things are going to pretty much return to what they were in that sense.

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Re: Kit - Chapter 37 [Spoilers]

Post by expedient » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:27 pm

dellstart wrote:
expedient wrote:
Hearly wrote:Could the Brighton's change Kit's opinion that Money is a Curse? They seem to be a happy family with as much wealth as the Vulpans and there doesn't seem to be a curse there...
This is a good point. With Kit becoming closer to the Vulpan cousins and Vil's meddling, I imagine it could a issue soon raised. He will be surrounded by wealth by association no matter what.
Will he really? I imagine as soon as he can , he will off back in Austin,and as much as possible all those old barriers will go right back up.Whilst he will for sure a much improved relationship with a lot of members of his family, Vils meddling is nothing new or something he cant handle.Nope , he and Jessie are going back behind that protective wall , and once he figures what to do with the mansion , things are going to pretty much return to what they were in that sense.
Before Kit was an estranged Vulpan with whom it might have been a good idea to be polite to, just in case his fortunes changed. Now he is the focus of a lot of Vulpan activity and therefore influences Vulpans who all have large sums of money to invest or contribute. Whether he has money or not and keeps himself apart from political and business dealings, others will seek him out. The Lone Star will suddenly find itself getting and offered interviews much easier, invites to events will be coming in, reprints in nationals will be more likely, all because Kit will now be seen to have considerable influence. This is why I think he’ll be wealthy by association no matter how he tries to avoid it.

He can’t really refuse many opportunities that help the magazine as he is responsible for the welfare of his friends and employees. He would be damaging their careers, limiting their options for the future. So I don’t see things just going back to the way they were before when they return to Austin. Plus Kit and Jessie are likely to be in national newspapers for attending important weddings, fighting off the PPC’s Paladins, the events surrounding the control of the Vulpan fortunes. I’ll bet Austin won’t be quite so normal anymore.
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Re: Kit - Chapter 37 [Spoilers]

Post by michaelsuave » Fri Feb 06, 2009 12:12 am

I think I/we forgot something... so I was looking at corporate and contract law today, and I got to thinking about the contract that allows the cousins and the elders to have the wealth as long as Kit wasn't attacked, bothered, or sued, etc. Fel made it pretty clear that Vil made it an all or nothing contract, and that it really protected kit from anything; couldn't find the section, but it was clear that kit would be protected from physical attacks as well as legal attacks by the elders and family. In addition, it only took the actions of one of the family members to render the contract void and return all of the wealth to kit; if terry had sued kit, then all of the elders and all of the cousins and family would lose their wealth to kit. Steve is zach's son. Steve is one of the cousins who gained wealth from the contract. :idea:

So... If steve did in fact instigate the paladins to attack kit, the contract would be breached, the return clause activated, and Kit would get all of the money from everybody. Steve wouldn't even need to be the main planner behind the attack, he could have just been involved in it, and kit would get everything; allowing him to distribute as he wishes. All vil needs in order to bury all of the elders and instigators is to prove that steve was involved with the attack on kit. :twisted:

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Re: Kit - Chapter 37 [Spoilers]

Post by dellstart » Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:23 am

That makes sense, but how hes going to navigate the increasing slippery tightrope , he now finds himself on,is the question.kit cant play the rebel really too much anymore , so how he counter balances all the other influences is the question.I think boballob once pointed how this is the mother of all ironies, the one guy who didn't want anything to do with his family , ends up being one of its most influential members.

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Re: Kit - Chapter 37 [Spoilers]

Post by kd7mvs » Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:15 pm

It's been 12 days now, I think Fel is just waiting until someone does an "Is it done yet? Probably not, but I don't have anything better to do!" post before posting the next chapter, being without power for part of that is just so irrelevant, so last century...

Sooo...

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Re: Kit - Chapter 37 [Spoilers]

Post by Mad Monk » Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:04 pm

Fel lost part of a week due to having no power.

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michaelsuave wrote:I think I/we forgot something... so I was looking at corporate and contract law today, and I got to thinking about the contract that allows the cousins and the elders to have the wealth as long as Kit wasn't attacked, bothered, or sued, etc. Fel made it pretty clear that Vil made it an all or nothing contract, and that it really protected kit from anything; couldn't find the section, but it was clear that kit would be protected from physical attacks as well as legal attacks by the elders and family. In addition, it only took the actions of one of the family members to render the contract void and return all of the wealth to kit; if terry had sued kit, then all of the elders and all of the cousins and family would lose their wealth to kit. Steve is zach's son. Steve is one of the cousins who gained wealth from the contract. :idea:

So... If steve did in fact instigate the paladins to attack kit, the contract would be breached, the return clause activated, and Kit would get all of the money from everybody. Steve wouldn't even need to be the main planner behind the attack, he could have just been involved in it, and kit would get everything; allowing him to distribute as he wishes. All vil needs in order to bury all of the elders and instigators is to prove that steve was involved with the attack on kit. :twisted:

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Fel has made the point that the contract stated that if anyone was Convicted of an attack on Kit then the contract was void. The trouble with this is that a good lawyer could tie things up in court for years.

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