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Re: Fun With Faey tech

Post by Fel » Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:43 am

There is Faey porn...but unlike in humans, where it's 90% the domain of men, in Faey society both men and women watch porn in equal numbers. A society with very liberal views on sex would see nothing wrong with making movies about it.

And there's not a gender imbalance between the sexes among the Faey, it's basicly 50-50. The imbalance comes from the attitudes of the Faey male. Not very Faey men actually marry. They'd much rather remain single and drift from woman to woman, looking for "Miss Perfect," and enjoying all that attention from women while doing so. Faey men are notorious for their evasiveness when it comes to forming a lasting relationship, and they're also rather bad about leading women on they have no intention of marrying, to get what they want from her...be it attention, money, help, or favors.

That's why Faey women are so aggressive. They have to be if they want to hold onto a potential husband, and they'll use just about anything in their arsenal to do it.

Faey women have a saying: "getting a date with a man is a snap, but getting a marriage with him is a war."

And Faey men also have a saying: "a single man is a happy man."
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Re: Fun With Faey tech

Post by Halcyon » Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:12 pm

Fel wrote:There is Faey porn...but unlike in humans, where it's 90% the domain of men, in Faey society both men and women watch porn in equal numbers. A society with very liberal views on sex would see nothing wrong with making movies about it.

And there's not a gender imbalance between the sexes among the Faey, it's basicly 50-50. The imbalance comes from the attitudes of the Faey male. Not very Faey men actually marry. They'd much rather remain single and drift from woman to woman, looking for "Miss Perfect," and enjoying all that attention from women while doing so. Faey men are notorious for their evasiveness when it comes to forming a lasting relationship, and they're also rather bad about leading women on they have no intention of marrying, to get what they want from her...be it attention, money, help, or favors.

That's why Faey women are so aggressive. They have to be if they want to hold onto a potential husband, and they'll use just about anything in their arsenal to do it.

Faey women have a saying: "getting a date with a man is a snap, but getting a marriage with him is a war."

And Faey men also have a saying: "a single man is a happy man."
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Re: Fun With Faey tech

Post by ANTIcarrot » Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:13 pm

Fel wrote:A society with very liberal views on sex would see nothing wrong with making movies about it.
I wonder though... Given the Faey's more open attitude towards sex, would they have more kinks (because of a willingness to explore variation) or less kinks (because vanilla is so available, and some of the 'other' possibilities might not offer the Level II benefits).

In which case, would the average Faey be more shocked by the content of the Internet, or the average human more shocked by the content of Civnet?

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Re: Fun With Faey tech

Post by Mad Monk » Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:53 am

Probably the single most disruptive bit of technology Jason could come up with, would be a mechanical mind screen. Lets face it, Fel's said that it was their telepathy which gave the Faey their greatest advantage in combat. A mechanical screen would reduce that advantage to a short range communication system.

Given that the Karrinnes were into researching everything and anything, this must have been something they looked into. It is, after all, close to their main research topic - mechanical telepathic interfacing.

The rumours that they were doing such research could have been the reason they were wiped out. It would put Faey at a disadvantage for their enemies. (Karrinnes as pure scientists might not consider the consequences of their research)

Even unsubstantiated rumours would be enough - anyone remember the one about Weapons of Mass Destruction being available for delivery in 45 minutes, used as an excuse to invade Iraq?
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Re: Fun With Faey tech

Post by Halcyon » Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:46 pm

Mad Monk wrote:Probably the single most disruptive bit of technology Jason could come up with, would be a mechanical mind screen. Lets face it, Fel's said that it was their telepathy which gave the Faey their greatest advantage in combat. A mechanical screen would reduce that advantage to a short range communication system.

Given that the Karrinnes were into researching everything and anything, this must have been something they looked into. It is, after all, close to their main research topic - mechanical telepathic interfacing.

The rumours that they were doing such research could have been the reason they were wiped out. It would put Faey at a disadvantage for their enemies. (Karrinnes as pure scientists might not consider the consequences of their research)

Even unsubstantiated rumours would be enough - anyone remember the one about Weapons of Mass Destruction being available for delivery in 45 minutes, used as an excuse to invade Iraq?
That's an interesting thought. I think someone has brought up a similar idea in the past. I do believe it's somewhere in this thread.

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Re: Fun With Faey tech

Post by ANTIcarrot » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:16 am

Halcyon wrote:
Mad Monk wrote:Probably the single most disruptive bit of technology Jason could come up with, would be a mechanical mind screen.
That's an interesting thought. I think someone has brought up a similar idea in the past. I do believe it's somewhere in this thread.
That would be me, on the previous page. Thoughts are complex. If they failed that, did any of them manage something as simple as an on/off telepathic broadcast? Here's one way they can do it:

Faey brain cells must play some fundamental part in their telepathy. (Assuming Fel's not going to hide behind 'magic' or something.) If you can stimulate one correctly, or a bunch of them, you can generate a telepathic signal. Or alternatively, you can use one to monitor a telepathic signal; in roughly the same way a phased array radar works.

One good way to monitor/regulate them is to grow some Faey brain cells in a test-tube, and then hock them up individually to a cybernetic array. This should be a simple matter for Faey molecular circuits. Use brain cells from a powerful enough Faey (and/or copy the brain-circuits from one - and doesn't he have one close to hand?) and have it broadcast the equivalent of a simple sine wave.

Viola. Instant psi-jammer.

The problem this technology (from the sole view of Fel's plot) is that if it's too easy to make, then resistance cells across earth will make them and start laying into Faey ground troops. It will be difficult to outlay such devices which will be so crucial to the proper running of human businesses whenever Faey are around. (Lying to and cheating your customers etc)

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Re: Fun With Faey tech

Post by Halcyon » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:53 pm

ANTIcarrot wrote:
Halcyon wrote:
Mad Monk wrote:Probably the single most disruptive bit of technology Jason could come up with, would be a mechanical mind screen.
That's an interesting thought. I think someone has brought up a similar idea in the past. I do believe it's somewhere in this thread.
That would be me, on the previous page. Thoughts are complex. If they failed that, did any of them manage something as simple as an on/off telepathic broadcast? Here's one way they can do it:

Faey brain cells must play some fundamental part in their telepathy. (Assuming Fel's not going to hide behind 'magic' or something.) If you can stimulate one correctly, or a bunch of them, you can generate a telepathic signal. Or alternatively, you can use one to monitor a telepathic signal; in roughly the same way a phased array radar works.

One good way to monitor/regulate them is to grow some Faey brain cells in a test-tube, and then hock them up individually to a cybernetic array. This should be a simple matter for Faey molecular circuits. Use brain cells from a powerful enough Faey (and/or copy the brain-circuits from one - and doesn't he have one close to hand?) and have it broadcast the equivalent of a simple sine wave.

Viola. Instant psi-jammer.

The problem this technology (from the sole view of Fel's plot) is that if it's too easy to make, then resistance cells across earth will make them and start laying into Faey ground troops. It will be difficult to outlay such devices which will be so crucial to the proper running of human businesses whenever Faey are around. (Lying to and cheating your customers etc)
Well, maybe Jason could create some sort of modified version of the sonic devices he made before. Something that was triggered by Faey telepathy. I'm sure that with the new technology he found he could create some sort of machine that could sense telepathy and interfere with it. If nothing else he could create something that would either cause a telepathic white noise or maybe cause the Faey to feel pain when they try to use their telepathy.

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Re: Fun With Faey tech

Post by Fiferguy » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:07 pm

If he did that, he would need to make sure that it only blocked certain telepaths. Telepathy is a powerful tool, as we've established many many times. Used correctly, it's an equally powerful weapon, again confirmed many times. So why make a device that would eliminate one of his own weapons. He needs to make it so his forces' telepathy can work just fine, but block enemies'.

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Re: Fun With Faey tech

Post by ANTIcarrot » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:35 pm

Fiferguy wrote:So why make a device that would eliminate one of his own weapons.
I think you're missing a point here. From a plot-centric viewpoint, Jason is the center of the universe. He's the one the story is about.

The other characters in the story though won't give a damn about what he wants. Especially the countless spear carriers off screen who are never even hinted at.

Despite all apparent forumite belief to the contrary, he is not the only one who can come up with a good idea, or the only one who can modify existing ideas. If such a device is introduced it will quickly be modified by humans and other non-Imperium species to block the largest percentage of telepaths possible. After all, if you were in charge of your company's computer security, would you wish to leave well published back-doors lying around so the government could take a peak at all your profit making secrets any time they liked? Or woudl you want it to be as comprehensive as possible? Same thing applies to the mental security of your work force.

I know which one I and the vast majority of humanity and likely all the other species in the galaxy would choose.

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Re: Fun With Faey tech

Post by Fiferguy » Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:44 pm

I'm not discounting that, but again I ask: Why hinder himself in that way? Jason has a lot of support, including the other human telepaths--even those that we haven't seen in the story. The basic idea behind any defensive system is to give as much protection as is practical while allowing yourself the most opportunities to strike back at an enemy. If you hinder yourself too much, it just allows your enemy to find a way around your defense before you can do anything to stop him/her.

The perfect example of this in current technology is ballistic armor that the military uses. It has to be light enough for soldiers to move around AND carry all the other things that are in a combat load. It has to be flexible enough for them to move in it. But it has to protect them from enemy gunfire. The result of this is a compromise: good protection for the "core" of the body (heart, lungs, other organs) and relatively poor protection for the extremities. Yes, it's getting better every day, but it still has vulnerabilities.

If Jason were to completely block telepathy, he would cripple himself. As has been expressed time and time and time again, Telepathy is the great equalizer. If he can create something that blocks another's telepathy while still allowing him to use it, it would be far better than blocking it completely.

Regardless of what tech you use there is going to be someone on the other side working to get around it. If there's anything in our history that we've learned, it's that technology will be defeated eventually. Radar was sabotaged by chaff, chaff was sabotaged by radar on more than one frequency. Stealth technologies are sabotaged by more sophisticated detection equipment, which is sabotaged by more sophisticated stealth, ad nauseum. The point is, no matter what defense technology you make, it'll eventually be overcome. You just have to use what you have while you have it--WITHOUT HINDERING YOURSELF.
ANTIcarrot wrote:After all, if you were in charge of your company's computer security, would you wish to leave well published back-doors lying around so the government could take a peak at all your profit making secrets any time they liked? Or woudl you want it to be as comprehensive as possible?
I would do both, actually. You have to defend yourself, yes, but you still have to allow yourself to move freely. Even the Moridon's, who in the book have the best computer security imaginable, have ways that they can access their own system. Security is tight, but still usable. You would have to do something similar with the telepathy shield. Make it secure, yes, but make it to where your allies and yourself could still get around it, because as we all know, telepathy is the great equalizer.

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Post by Halcyon » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:13 pm

Fiferguy wrote:I'm not discounting that, but again I ask: Why hinder himself in that way? Jason has a lot of support, including the other human telepaths--even those that we haven't seen in the story. The basic idea behind any defensive system is to give as much protection as is practical while allowing yourself the most opportunities to strike back at an enemy. If you hinder yourself too much, it just allows your enemy to find a way around your defense before you can do anything to stop him/her.

The perfect example of this in current technology is ballistic armor that the military uses. It has to be light enough for soldiers to move around AND carry all the other things that are in a combat load. It has to be flexible enough for them to move in it. But it has to protect them from enemy gunfire. The result of this is a compromise: good protection for the "core" of the body (heart, lungs, other organs) and relatively poor protection for the extremities. Yes, it's getting better every day, but it still has vulnerabilities.

If Jason were to completely block telepathy, he would cripple himself. As has been expressed time and time and time again, Telepathy is the great equalizer. If he can create something that blocks another's telepathy while still allowing him to use it, it would be far better than blocking it completely.

Regardless of what tech you use there is going to be someone on the other side working to get around it. If there's anything in our history that we've learned, it's that technology will be defeated eventually. Radar was sabotaged by chaff, chaff was sabotaged by radar on more than one frequency. Stealth technologies are sabotaged by more sophisticated detection equipment, which is sabotaged by more sophisticated stealth, ad nauseum. The point is, no matter what defense technology you make, it'll eventually be overcome. You just have to use what you have while you have it--WITHOUT HINDERING YOURSELF.
ANTIcarrot wrote:After all, if you were in charge of your company's computer security, would you wish to leave well published back-doors lying around so the government could take a peak at all your profit making secrets any time they liked? Or woudl you want it to be as comprehensive as possible?
I would do both, actually. You have to defend yourself, yes, but you still have to allow yourself to move freely. Even the Moridon's, who in the book have the best computer security imaginable, have ways that they can access their own system. Security is tight, but still usable. You would have to do something similar with the telepathy shield. Make it secure, yes, but make it to where your allies and yourself could still get around it, because as we all know, telepathy is the great equalizer.
The technical aspects of a device that hindered only, say pure-blooded Faey telepathic abilities while allowing Humans to use theirs would be awesome.
But here's a question to think about, if the device disabled the Faeys' ability to use their telepathy, would it necessarily impair their mental capabilities? I think if Human telepath attempted to mentally attack a Faey under the effects of said device, he or she might find more than they bargained for.
As far as I know, Fel has never really stated what defensive mental capabilites Faey have. For all we know, if anyone entered into a Faey's mind, the Faey might be able to damage that attacking telepaths consciousness. What's your ruling on that, Fel?

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Re: Fun With Faey tech

Post by Wingsolution » Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:43 pm

warning off topic: This is now the largest thread on the forums...

and now for the new technological revelation: could you make hyper missles? ie missles with hyperdrives? it's impossible with faey tech, but karrine with their real time hyperdrives could pull it off, if it's possibe. I mean a missle that can pop 'around' a shield maybe, depending on what hyper bands that shield covers(if it covers any)... I got this idea from david weber's Empire from the Ashes book which in hindsight has a lot in common technologicly speaking with the subjugation universe...

oh, and I read Empire from the Ashes long before I realized the posibility of hyper missles in subjugation, but I can be slow at times...
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Re: Fun With Faey tech

Post by michaelsuave » Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:25 pm

Wingsolution wrote:warning off topic: This is now the largest thread on the forums...

and now for the new technological revelation: could you make hyper missles? ie missles with hyperdrives? it's impossible with faey tech, but karrine with their real time hyperdrives could pull it off, if it's possibe. I mean a missle that can pop 'around' a shield maybe, depending on what hyper bands that shield covers(if it covers any)... I got this idea from david weber's Empire from the Ashes book which in hindsight has a lot in common technologicly speaking with the subjugation universe...

oh, and I read Empire from the Ashes long before I realized the posibility of hyper missles in subjugation, but I can be slow at times...
look at earlier version of thread for possible versions of a hypermissles. :wink:
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Re: Fun With Faey tech

Post by ANTIcarrot » Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:44 am

Fiferguy wrote:Why hinder himself in that way?
Because he's not a completely selfish bastard and actually gives a damn about the rest of humanity?

Jason and a handful of other humans can defend themselves from a Faey trying to read their minds. NO ONE ELSE ON THE PLANET CAN DO THAT.

A human police officer needs to be able to force a suspect to do what they're told. If the Faey criminal can simply make him shoot himself, can a normal human be a police officer? No. Normal humans will not be trustable in positions of power, because they become puppets to the nearest telepath. You end up with a situation where a tiny minority of human telepath nobles end up ruling the rest of normal human peasants.

Jason has seen what kind of government that leads to. He knows it cannot work. The only way to avoid it is give normal humans some way to defend themselves from Faey and Human telepathy.
Regardless of what tech you use there is going to be someone on the other side working to get around it.
Doesn't matter in this case. Any technology that protects Faey from jammer-telepathy can be used to protect humans from Faey-telepathy.
Even the Moridon's, who in the book have the best computer security imaginable, have ways that they can access their own system.
You're missing the wood for the trees. There are people on Earth that have a reasonable need to keep secrets WHO ARE NOT JASON. Bill Gates does not let President Bush wonder around his R&D facilities any time the president wishes to. Why would Bill Gates or any other CEO feel differently about Grand Duke Karine? Or indeed, any Faey in a ten block radius. The need to keep secrets from competitors and their own government will be the same.
telepathy is the great equalizer.
If you're one of the very tiny minority of humans, or a Faey, that's true. If you're a normal human, telepathy is a source of oppression. If ordinary humans can't keep secrets, especially from a Faey who's actively trying to learn them, then there can be no equality.

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Re: Fun With Faey tech

Post by michaelsuave » Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:07 am

All I have to say is, I wonder what Jason could build now that he has clearance to the most classified technology that the karinnes and the faey have. plus, he has the money and the ability to buy anything he wants now. :twisted: planetary defense platforms with railguns and karinne weapons and magnetic shields that repel mpac rounds.. :twisted: the oportunities are endless...
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