Retribution, chapter 4, (spoilers)

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Re: Retribution, chapter 4, (spoilers)

Post by Belgarion213 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:20 am

Yeah, I to assume the Interdictor has been activated...probably while we were seeing things from that Benga's POV. We are probably going to see something along the same lines asking for reinforcements and then reacting to the fact that somebody shut down their hyperspace travel.

A 3 week period where all of the Kharines ships are on the other side of the galaxy is a pretty big investment. I mean sure thsi battle is important but with all of them in another galaxy i wonder if somebody is thinking about dropping by Karis...but then I remember that there are still Generations Around ready to bond with the CBIM's who would turn a fleet into so much confetti.

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Re: Retribution, chapter 4, (spoilers)

Post by Hello World » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:17 am

Belgarion213 wrote:Sorry for the double post, however a question just popped into my mind while re-reading the latest chapter.

the KMS has been using the rail guns for a while, and in space there's no friction to well..burn up or stop a Rail Slug that's fired. Do the KMS track the trajectories of the slugs they fire and go and stop them or is somebody going to have a real bad time when a rail slug fired god knows when comes out of nowhere and slams into some random ship/planet? (Yeah incredibly small odds due to how ludicrously large space is but it COULD happen....

Couldn't help but remember this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tIk-vUtLBs. But yeah, the most likely possibility would be the rail slugs are eventually drawn into stars/uninhabited planets/space debris. The chances of it actually hitting another sentient is infinitesimal.

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Re: Retribution, chapter 4, (spoilers)

Post by jrs772000 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:55 am

I'd recommend going to http://www.joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace ... ystem.html to get an idea of just how empty space is. Considering just how empty the Solar System is the likelyhood of a rail slug hitting anything worthwhile (people, spaceships, planets) is remote at best. Also while the vacuum of space is almost completely empty it does have a few atoms per cubic meter. Over a long enough timeframe or distance the collisions with those atoms would likely cause a rail slug to disintegrate and slow. As for a graf blast those same atoms over distance/time would cause it to dissipate.
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Re: Retribution, chapter 4, (spoilers)

Post by SYED » Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:53 pm

So while they they are securing the planet, they will be fending off the larger space force. The thing is it will take time to move through local space meaning the will be under constant bombardment. We have seen that the benga see their only choice is knife fighting range. I suppose that could change if they figure out they need to alter their torsion weaponry into ion ones. I can't remember the range of such weapons.
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Re: Retribution, chapter 4, (spoilers)

Post by Wolfee » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:57 pm

SYED wrote:So while they they are securing the planet, they will be fending off the larger space force. The thing is it will take time to move through local space meaning the will be under constant bombardment. We have seen that the benga see their only choice is knife fighting range. I suppose that could change if they figure out they need to alter their torsion weaponry into ion ones. I can't remember the range of such weapons.
I don't believe that anyone forgot to put up the iterdictor, Fel simply didn't mention it. The earliest mention of taking the dreamer planet talked about putting up a iterdictor... I'm sure it just escaped Fels attention. Now if the can't use one for some reason and Fel didn't tell us and is saving it for the next chapter? Or they will deploy iterdictors ahead of incoming enemy fleets, that is different.

I for one am looking forward to the next chapter!

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Re: Retribution, chapter 4, (spoilers)

Post by SYED » Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:15 pm

I a, guessing they are desperately calling in for support, and due to them realizing the threat of interdiction, ships will be getting stuck in open space, so open to being defeat in detail. I think they only stop sending in ship. If they truly believe they can't defeat the confederation forces and deal with the interdiction.
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Re: Retribution, chapter 4, (spoilers)

Post by Rakshasa claw » Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:14 pm

SYED wrote:So while they they are securing the planet, they will be fending off the larger space force. The thing is it will take time to move through local space meaning the will be under constant bombardment. We have seen that the benga see their only choice is knife fighting range. I suppose that could change if they figure out they need to alter their torsion weaponry into ion ones. I can't remember the range of such weapons.
Pretty sure they've started to realize that their ion weapons are also pretty useless against the enemy ships too. After all, they undoubtedly shot them with such weapons in the initial attack seeing as how their fleets are notorious for not being all upgraded to best tech weapons. They won't understand HOW the ships can just shrug off the other attacks, unlike the torsion diffusers, but the fact remains that the guns themselves are pretty useless.

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Re: Retribution, chapter 4, (spoilers)

Post by SYED » Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:01 pm

Did you not read the last book? Due to the diffuser countering their torsion weaponry, they refitted those guns to being ion weaponry. that is what was written in the story line. These were viable threats against the confederation. They did get intelligence the enemy has diffusion. So they would be looking for alternatives. I wonder if the refit idea was stolen from the consortium, they had to be desperate to find a way to counter the diffuser themselves. It is likely difficult to do in the middle if battle.
I forget does the ion weaponry affect the ip armor.
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Re: Retribution, chapter 4, (spoilers)

Post by physicalard » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:15 am

If they have sufficient spare interdictors, it would be much more effective to set up a sphere of them outside the system (similar to the outer sphere of Karis). If they are about to enter the logarithmic phase they would trap any incoming ships well away from the system and allow any cowards to attempt to jump out of the system and trap them well away from the moon where they would be easily picked off by graf cannons.

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Re: Retribution, chapter 4, (spoilers)

Post by Taliesin » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:59 am

Hi Fel,

Did I miss something or is the Kimdori Navy not participating in the actual fighting with the Syndicate Naval ships? I would think that Kimdori Capital Ship would also have the ability to take out the Syndicate Moon ships if needed. So far in this Chapter, it appears that the Kimdori involvement is limited to committing infiltrators on the moon, Kimdori penetration of the military HQ on E Chaio and to the Kimdori SCM scrambling ships that prevented the detection of the Confederation Navy ships.

Is this part of the Kimdori approach that would limit them to only being involved with actual combat in the Milky Way Galaxy when defending against non-native invaders of the Milky Way versus not being involved with active operations in the Andromeda Galaxy? Just curious in how you are building their involvement in things.

Thanks again for the incredible world building you have done here.

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Re: Retribution, chapter 4, (spoilers)

Post by Rakshasa claw » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:46 am

SYED wrote:Did you not read the last book? Due to the diffuser countering their torsion weaponry, they refitted those guns to being ion weaponry. that is what was written in the story line. These were viable threats against the confederation. They did get intelligence the enemy has diffusion. So they would be looking for alternatives. I wonder if the refit idea was stolen from the consortium, they had to be desperate to find a way to counter the diffuser themselves. It is likely difficult to do in the middle if battle.
I forget does the ion weaponry affect the ip armor.
Pretty sure that Ion weaponry is also essentially countered by the IP armor, hence why the only weapons the Syndicate fleet had that was truly effective against the CCM fleet was the big Super ship Plasma guns that are just to large to mitigate with the IP armor. That is why I'm confidant that the Syndicate is left with a wtf moment of how do we properly hurt them if most of our weapons are useless. Of course, those giant Anti-matter missiles can hurt the ships but the anti missile measure on the fleet make them pretty ineffective.

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I did read the last book, and I agree the Syndicate is probably rushing to replace the torsion guns with other weapons.... but this fleet battle revealed a new trick to the Syndicate as I already noted.

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