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Looks like it's time to kick @$$ and take names... :twisted:
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Fel sure loves his sonic weapons...
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The only thing that can really stop sonics at a high enough level is the absence of a medium. IE: In space, no one can hear you scream.

Other than that, the subsonics can be made to work through just about anything.
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expedient wrote:Fel sure loves his sonic weapons...

well if this was Tarrin we were talking about

I'd say we were about to see another City Vaporized


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Phantom wrote:I'd say we were about to see another City Vaporized
We just might at that.... Fel was took quick to discount the use of the Karinne super-bomb in our own galaxy.... The only question one needs to know is the target on the leading edge of galaxy or not... If its on the leading edge of our galaxy the resulting tear in space time just might be able to hit the super-black hole at center of our galaxy as the galaxy advanced through space over/through the blast site. However if the target is on the trailing edge or even the outer rim along the sides Jason can blast that area to kingdom come and in a few million years the galaxy will move away from the blast site which will be left in deep space between galaxies.

After all Jason grew up on Terra, he's heard the phrase "...Destroying a world to save it..."
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I think the problem isn't the galaxy moving, it was that the rift moves too, and since they didn't complete the development of the weapon, I don't think they can predict how it'll move long-term wise. Maybe even the Kimdori, the masters of hyperspace, can't. But I'm not entirely sure we've seen the end of the spatial bomb, in one of it's forms. Just like they made the pulse weapons, they may be able to miniaturize the effect enough to blast say, a system full of Consortium bases, without causing irreversible damage. I can certainly see them generating a similar wave in a different fashion, maybe even using the Consortium's new FTL material as a catalyst, Eredium, was it?

Or just sent a few singularity power plants, and detonate those. That would sting.

The bomb reminds me of the meteor strike weave. Just adjust it to make it smaller. The old Karinnes didn't have the motivation to tinker with it for long. Jason on the other hand, has everything to lose. It could serve as a plan b. If the Consortium sends a wave, you send a couple of bombs. That would probably make the Syndicate mad though.

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I also thought the spatial bomb came and went too fast not to be a plot point for the future. From the brief description, it also seems almost overpowered. Maybe it could be demonstrated and used as a deterrent?

What about loading some CMS cloaked hyperspace missiles with warheads full of PPGs that have the safeties bypassed and are rigged to explode? That single explosion in Chesapeake was devastating. A few warheads full of those, modified to spread out to a certain distance from each other, would be able to devastate a small continent or fleet of ships.

I think Jason or Zaa should also focus on the FTL technology. If it can be built, it can be blocked.
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NSC wrote:I also thought the spatial bomb came and went too fast not to be a plot point for the future. From the brief description, it also seems almost overpowered. Maybe it could be demonstrated and used as a deterrent?

What about loading some CMS cloaked hyperspace missiles with warheads full of PPGs that have the safeties bypassed and are rigged to explode? That single explosion in Chesapeake was devastating. A few warheads full of those, modified to spread out to a certain distance from each other, would be able to devastate a small continent or fleet of ships.

I think Jason or Zaa should also focus on the FTL technology. If it can be built, it can be blocked.

Hummm Maybe they should figure out how to block it ......but how to Re or Misdirect it

Send all the ships useing it some where they DON'T want to end up

I was thinking too ...What about building some sort of interdictor device? to be used kind like a ship based or probe launched version
One that would Only affect a small area .....if near a ship trying to go into Hyper it would just cause part of the ship to not go
with the rest ......kinda like a Speed bump Shaking a Car apart .....one haft keep going the other part stays behind.

but i was thinging when i read the spatial bomb part .....and Fel reminding us about that other hyperspace experment that went wrong
could it's effect be used in the area that the Consortium's base is in ...


also the masters of hyperspace the Kimdori as someone said ....hehehehe they are now but think how did they become so ?
they may have become so because of old Karinnes reasearch they've been using and studying since The old Karinnes were distroyed.

I'm still waiting for CYBI's upgrade i get the feeling that will truely be something to see.



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I wonder also, since the Fey can stretch/compress space, can they distort it so that the FTL ships would be deflected away from their intended trajectory? From their point of view they would be heading in a straight line, but from another POV they'd be curving away from Karis (or any other target).

Along those lines, bend space around an area so that everything is reflected back the way it came. Kind of like a reverse black hole.

Also, finish upgrading the Aegis with the GRAF Cannon, modified engines to jump through the interdiction field, and the ship based CYBI. Put Jason on that ship (if his guards could be convinced of it) and with his CYBI enhanced telepathic powers coupled with the GRAF cannon, well you can just imagine the damage that would be available. CMS the whole ship while you're at it.

I'm certain that whatever FEL has coming will surprise us all, and I'm looking forward to it.
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If 3D or the Kimdori can figure out how to redirect the FTL drive, then just redirect them into the nearest star. If they come out of the drive well inside the photosphere, they aren't very likely to come back out. Of course, that will wind up being something that can affect only one ship at a time.
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NSC wrote:Put Jason on that ship (if his guards could be convinced of it) and with his CYBI enhanced telepathic powers coupled with the GRAF cannon, well you can just imagine the damage that would be available.
It doesn't have to be Jason--ANY Generation can link to the CBIM like he can. Besides, I doubt his protectors (Aya, Jyslin, Symone, Dahnai, the entire KMS, etc.) would allow him to go anywhere near actual combat as a weapon.
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Besides, they had to install another power plant to assist with the GRAF cannon. It would need even more power to use at the same time the GRAF, the biogenic supercomputer and a CMS that size. I believe Fel said the tactical CBIM would end up in a different Aegis class ship.

Nicolai, I wouldn't try that on my own planet, just in case. But deviating them, just a touch, so they're lost in the middle of no-where with no FTL capability, that's nice. The Kimdori are good at stealing plans, aren't they?
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Phantom wrote:well if this was Tarrin we were talking about

I'd say we were about to see another City Vaporized
I'd say we just did with that planet destroyed.
Wolfee wrote:Fel was took quick to discount the use of the Karinne super-bomb in our own galaxy.
I think given that Koira Karinne was willing to sacrifice the House over destroying the Imperium Jason would be hard pressed to justify permanent damage to space-time or galactic destruction and mass extinctions.
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NSC wrote:Put Jason on that ship (if his guards could be convinced of it) and with his CYBI enhanced telepathic powers coupled with the GRAF cannon, well you can just imagine the damage that would be available.
It doesn't have to be Jason--ANY Generation can link to the CBIM like he can. Besides, I doubt his protectors (Aya, Jyslin, Symone, Dahnai, the entire KMS, etc.) would allow him to go anywhere near actual combat as a weapon.
This is all about timings isn't it? Didn't Fel write that they were six months away from the next CBIM? As to Jason linking to the CBIM, could Aya etc really stop Jason if he decided to be "stubborn"?

With Jason having a better understanding of how to use the biogenic boosting does the Consortium have enough to capture or destroy Karis? I'm guessing that the second large device the Consortium is building is to help with the speed or protection of the attack fleet so that they can overwhelm the Karinne defenses.
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expedient wrote:This is all about timings isn't it? Didn't Fel write that they were six months away from the next CBIM? As to Jason linking to the CBIM, could Aya etc really stop Jason if he decided to be "stubborn"?
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Tribulation, Chapter 5 wrote: Jason, Aya called, a finger to her interface. We need you back on the Victory now. Right now, she sent adamantly.

What? What’s going on?

I don’t know. Myri just sent down the order for you to return to Karis fucking now, even if I have to drag you to the dropship. So start before I drag, she warned.
Tribulation, Chapter 5 wrote: Aya gave him a fresh glare as they got onto a heavily armored dropship, with twenty escorting Wolf fighters, the lifted off to rendezvous with the KMS ship Victory, one of their battleships. Admiral Leta Karinne greeted them in the landing bay, her and everyone else in Crusader armor, and she walked briskly with him as soon as he got off the dropship, Jyslin and Rann having to nearly run to keep up. It came down the pike, Leta sent urgently. I’m to get you to Karis right the fuck now or Juma’s gonna rip my diamonds right off my Class A’s.

Yeah, get us back as fast as you can, Jason nodded in agreement. I need to be where I can get up to date information and get under Myri’s feet.

After they got into a passenger cabin, Jason grabbed hold of Aya and looked right into her eyes. Get over it. I needed to go, he told her intensely, removing his gauntlet. She was about to respond, but he put his hand on her cheek, and through that contact he lowered his defenses enough for her to feel the powerful emotions boiling in him, his crushing feeling of responsibility, his need to be there for the people he was ultimately responsible for displacing.

Her eyes softened slightly as she felt what he was feeling, but then they hardened again. That is no excuse, she told him bluntly. You cannot do this again, Jason. I won’t allow it.

You won’t—

I will not allow it
, she seethed. When you get back to Karsa, you better settle in, because you will not leave the planet again, for any reason. And I mean any reason. Even if Trelle herself came down to Draconis and invited you to tea, you will send her your regrets, because your mommy has grounded you.

Jason had to bark a laugh. Can I at least go to Kosigi?

She actually considered it. Alright, I’ll give you that much. But that’s as far as you go. This is now far more of a war than you bargained for, Jason, and that means I have to take complete control of your safety. I simply will not allow you to risk yourself, Lady Jyslin, and Rann like this again. If you even think of trying to overrule me, I’ll tie you to a chair in the basement. I swear I will.

She was dead serious. He knew he’d pushed her as far as he could go, and she would take no more. She did technically have complete authority over the safety of him and his family, and he knew that if she ordered the entire KMS not to take him anywhere, they would obey.

He was grounded.

I understand, he sent seriously. We are in your hands now, Aya. Take good care of us.
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And it was a grounding. Aya was absolutely militant about keeping Jason under control, mainly due to his history of needing to get his hands into everything. Jason was the kind that would ride shotgun on the bridge of a battleship when it went into battle, hell, he would charge into battle right along with the infantry, which was very much unlike just about any other house ruler. Aya kept a very close and personal eye on him, her eyes just daring him to get any ideas every time he so much as looked past the fence. She had two guards with him at all times when he wasn’t in his bedroom, usually herself and Dera, but all his normal guards rotated through his babysitting. Such as right now, since Shen and Suri were standing over by the hot tub deck, sending casually between themselves but still keeping an eye on him. Jason had found that trying to leave his house to go anywhere but the White House, 3D, or Kosigi was almost not worth it, because Aya demanded exorbitant security precautions that slowed everything down…and Jason suspected she was doing it on purpose to keep him from wandering. It was a hell of a lot easier for her to defend him if he stayed home or restricted himself to military or government installations. She couldn’t tell him he couldn’t go somewhere on Karis, but she could make it such a pain in the ass that it wasn’t worth the effort.

It was almost annoying. He was the Grand Duke, after all. He shouldn’t be held hostage by his own captain of the guard…yet that was exactly what was going on, and he just didn’t have the balls to challenge Aya over it. She was just doing her job, and he knew that if he crossed her, she would literally lock him up and keep him imprisoned until the danger had passed. And not a single soul on Karis would dare try and stop her.

So yes, I think she would literally tie him to a chair in the basement if he tried to leave Karis.
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expedient wrote:
Wolfee wrote:Fel was took quick to discount the use of the Karinne super-bomb in our own galaxy.
I think given that Koira Karinne was willing to sacrifice the House over destroying the Imperium Jason would be hard pressed to justify permanent damage to space-time or galactic destruction and mass extinctions.
Actually I think Jason would be willing to destroy the Andromeda Galaxy... its simply a matter of motivation. Jason simply needs to be properly motivated. Or as Jack would say "One must apply the proper leverage." The reason I believe that in the end, push come to shove that Jason will do whatever must be done no matter how monstrous a simple statement that I personally believe in. "Survival cancels out programming." That in the end Jason will do whatever must be done for the Frey and Human races to survive and prosper, for the Karinnes and for all the others that are depending upon this alliance. The difference between Jason and Koira here is that this more than just about the survival of the Karinnes as it was with Koira. This is for all the marbles...for everyone's marbles. In the end Jason will sacrifice of himself, his morality, the ability to look himself in the mirror to safe-guard the rights of others to live and breath freely.

As Fel said in a previous discussion:
Now Jason is going to start throwing his own punches, and do it on THEIR level. He'll worry about the moral implications of it later, for when he's alive to face the music. He'll do it the way he does it best, and that's with some wicked little gadget that does the killing for him.

Yes, he's becoming a soldier, but it's taking him longer to take on that survivalist mindset, because it's warring with his compassionate foundation.
Yes I'm expecting Fel to slowly work his way up to it....whatever it will be. I'm sure it will be stunning and fatal for a millions if not billions the enemies of the Karinnes.

I'm going to agree with Fiferguy's statement of:
So yes, I think she would literally tie him to a chair in the basement if he tried to leave Karis.
I don't think Jason will get in on the action as much as he'd like. He'd like to do the bloody minded evil bits himself, so as to shield the rest of the Karinnes from doing the bloody awful things that will need to be done....if for no other reason than he gave the order and one should never give a order one isn't willing to carry out oneself.
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