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tribulation (spoilers) chapter 5

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so the sector wass ravaged, but now the karrine are securing space. will they steal back the systems, while the enemy is launching their next attack. so fleet is massing and upgrading. when that forwards system is established, fleet will act from there. if they created a catapult they coulf lauch ships in real time.
the skaa are pissed, both empire and republic will not stand for million civilians murdered. so will make them pay.so sheer weight of fighters will bring the enemy ships down. trying to secure the skaa will be hard, the consortium will move to next system , be met with pissed skaa.
The faey are likly going to keep the little groups and those who like their enhanced neutrality. so shio and nine collonies are likly to join, while jobodi and zyger will want ultimate neutrality, as well as moridin. the colonists had the weakest military due to their empathy.
will there be reprisals on captured populations. they seen to be getting rid of orbital structurtes
the empires will go into mass production of defenses for space. make the consortium pay for each world. if they can build up enogh defences one world so the various ways if indicting be activated when fleet comes, so ships are held there, giving alliues time to secure the previously captured systems.
parri need to do more blessing.
do the jobodi have abilities too, i mean who would have told them the secret
once fleet is big enough and upgraded, will attack invading fleeet while indicting space to ensure no reinforcement and no escape. the lesser tech ships will suffer, but the enemy may concentrate on karrine and kimdori kills, so the fleets should try and heep faey and kimdori alive as they will cause the most derstroyerd. so the skaa empires will survive, due to loses they may even unite. the little guys may join for protection.

can the gravity weapons be fitted on fighters.

if the enemy is in a hurry, why are they not bulking their forces up yet, they just knocking down the opposition. they are probally pre paring for engine change. so now they are thining out the allies. skaa may make them pay, their forces will be minishtion. the alliance got conquered, i wonder how much will survive. the skaa would like the system. out of sel presovation the alliance chise the imperium.
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You know, that chapter eerily reminded me in some ways of 9/11 here in NYC. The feeling throughout the whole city was of loss , disbelief , mourning and fear of what would happen next.I can remember strangers walking on the streets and just looking at each other , it was almost surreal and there was this kind of quiet , its hard to explain.At ground zero , it was even worse.

you have to give Rudy Giuliani credit, I can honestly say , with out out the slightest doubt , he was at that moment absolutely Churchillian in his resolve and steadfast courage and his leadership provided a beacon of hope and courage in some of the most darkest days , this city has ever faced. As long as Rudy was there , we knew we were in safe hands and we would all emerge from this for better or worse.
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Now that the Karinne ships are immune to interdiction, can they jump with a fully powered interdictor in tow?
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IdiotPaste wrote:Now that the Karinne ships are immune to interdiction, can they jump with a fully powered interdictor in tow?
Interdictors don't work well if they're moving fast. They can operate at a minimal power if moving slowly, but like to be stationary within the spatial frame of the operators (even though everything is moving all the time).

Taking an operating interdictor into hyperspace? Are you insane, man? You'll rip a hole in the fabric of space and catapult us all into the universe of scantily clad cheerleaders with loose morals!

Hey, wait a minute....
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can formula be adjusted for nebula. while indictor can not travel active in real space, they no longer nead a guard with them all the time due to the ability to jump straight to it at a moment notice. so indictor it self may jump.

can hypermissile ranges be increased via catapult. also if they get that forward system, can they launch missiles at targets from there.

When fleet launches attacks, this is set up.
what remaining alliance ships that are not destroyed or captured. Will try to have weapons that hurt the consortium fitted.the skaa fleets are many, and are containing weapons, but the tech level is low.
shio and jobodi will likly stay for defensive action.
the urumni fleet is still rebuilding numbers, but is getting a tech boost.
imperium fleet whole, with factories churning out the weapons needed.
karinne is the same
kimdore is building up numbers but they have the tech.
All together a minimum of 4000 ships, likly more. all the races have some kinda fighter element, to try to place the emphesis here, as fighters are now capable of taking out capital ships. THe consortium started with 6000 ships in sevice to fighting inthis sector. so 30000 fighters to destroy them. it is likly the confed could destroy this consortium fleet but at cost and there are an estimated 15000 in reserve with more being built. has the consortium dealt with upgraded fighters yet. are their forward forces divided or centerred.

they need to be able to control the battle field so not retreat or gain reinfotcements. Is there any way to speed up indiction, or simply aim it at particular ships. will others decide to encorparate ion cannons, to take down shields. can jason adapt ion cannons using how the shields are formed, so can pierce them ore. the new cannon will allow many ships to die depending on power supply, will be all a shot kill xannon. can jason determine which ship is either the command ship, or where one of the light aliens are, the skaa will be looking for payback, so thier low tech masses will take out at lot on the consortium and themselves.

the kimdori agents closer to the queeans.

shio and tthe nine will join, the prince few leaders of his worlds left, and need rge protection. due to empathy not so militerise, so faey would be great protectors for the ninerrs. the alliance will likly get shrunk, and absorbed by skaa or faey. the neutals would go for the zygra deal, skaa woul want to rebuild and expand, the urumni would be the same, but jason could convince the blood queen to join, chance to take every thing trillane has, already seeing what alliance can do.
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So, we know that interdictors require a certain waiting period before they can cover massive amounts of space, but I wonder how fast they can cover a smaller area, like a battlezone... I'm interested to see if the Karrines develop an interdictor-ship. Just a heavily armored ship that can jump with the fleet into a battle and begin to interdict the area so that the target units cannot flee and it delays the arrival of enemy reinforcements. Fel has mentioned that jumping an active interdictor would most likely have an undesirable effect, but an inactive one should be ok. The main question is: how fast can the interdiction field cover the local area?

These ships could also be temporary protection for systems that are awaiting permanent interdictors.

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Fel wrote:Taking an operating interdictor into hyperspace? Are you insane, man? You'll rip a hole in the fabric of space and catapult us all into the universe of scantily clad cheerleaders with loose morals!
Yes, please!
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Its a whole new ball game! While there will still be a push for Stargate production, to allow for domestic trade and travel, the Karinne ability to travel through interdicted space does indeed allow for interdiction without Stargates, so long as they are willing to trust the Karinnes to provide needed transport until Stargates can be manufactured and positioned. Trust and benevolence are the Karinne watchwords at this time, they must prove themselves to be as they represent themselves to be, worthy of trust.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is resupply of munitions for Skaa and related forces where manufacturing planets may be interdicted with no Stargates; perchance cargo ships, after dropping off food, will fill their holds with munitions for their warships, better than deadheading back out.
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kd7mvs wrote:Its a whole new ball game! While there will still be a push for Stargate production, to allow for domestic trade and travel, the Karinne ability to travel through interdicted space does indeed allow for interdiction without Stargates, so long as they are willing to trust the Karinnes to provide needed transport until Stargates can be manufactured and positioned. Trust and benevolence are the Karinne watchwords at this time, they must prove themselves to be as they represent themselves to be, worthy of trust.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is resupply of munitions for Skaa and related forces where manufacturing planets may be interdicted with no Stargates; perchance cargo ships, after dropping off food, will fill their holds with munitions for their warships, better than deadheading back out.
You raise some interesting points. Addressing them in reverse order, most of the weapons that the various empires are using seem to rely on energy more than anything. If they are mostly using some form of fusion power, like the Faey, then all they need is a gas giant in each solar system to resupply. The ion guns might utilize some form of simple replicator.

Trusting the Karinnes at this point is probably fairly easy in the short term as they've offered free information and technology about the Consortium and the food replicators. Trusting the Imperial Faey to provide Stargate access might be a different matter. If the Karinnes betray them they could just destroy the interdictors.

Other logistical issues are going to be a huge problem unless a complete stargate system is in place, which they might be hesitate to implement as few of them trust the Imperium. Unless they accept years long freight shipments.
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It was mentioned that momentum isn't easily increased within hyperspace. Its' also known that the consortium has requested faster then light tech from homeworld. The Korriens are obviously going to try to utilize it. What hapens when faster then light ship enters hyperspace? Travel time across the galaxy or possibly between galaxies could be reduced to little real time. If consortium ships can possibly use the tech, probably from centuries before they met any Kerriens, then modern Kerriens could blend the tech in without problem. This could potentially leave a faster then light hyperspace ship that can travel through interdictor as well as possibly a nebula. The net result.....scarry fast ships.
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kd7mvs wrote:Its a whole new ball game! While there will still be a push for Stargate production, to allow for domestic trade and travel, the Karinne ability to travel through interdicted space does indeed allow for interdiction without Stargates, so long as they are willing to trust the Karinnes to provide needed transport until Stargates can be manufactured and positioned. Trust and benevolence are the Karinne watchwords at this time, they must prove themselves to be as they represent themselves to be, worthy of trust.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is resupply of munitions for Skaa and related forces where manufacturing planets may be interdicted with no Stargates; perchance cargo ships, after dropping off food, will fill their holds with munitions for their warships, better than deadheading back out.
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INstead of omni direction indictor, make it project a sot of cone effect, so focused and quicker.

A big part of the war is ship numbers and cpability, and jason has advantage in the moon base. he can do mass production here. this war will cost fleets, jason can replace his quicker and so can the imperium. With nanotech combined with multiple slips for ships, robbotic machienery, and many workers, fleets will be made.

I wonder if the imperium could convince somw of the alliance races to join the imperium. being saved from evil empire is convincing, and the choice is them or skaa or urumni.
the alliance is big in trade, the faey gates will allow for greater markets to form.

how much will the consortium destroy of their captured holdings, they need cannon fodder, they never said about inferstructure.

for the forward point, the indictor what if it was dropped from hyper by the kimdori, it would not be exact but could they get it into the system without kimdori stopping. if no ship stops, the indictor could position it self and activate. how long would it take for them to realise, their sensors didnt realise immeadiatly that the systems got locked down, till they heard the news.
jason could jump a stargate as it establishes it self, but then instead of directly, jump somewhere further on, and simply jump back early so the enemy think you are heading else where they could get ready for you. when the ships dont appear, they will try to find you but by then hopefully the gate can be established or too much space is indictored.

the same could be done to capture lost systems, have a jump capable indictor get sneaked or dropped into a system when the bad guys are busy.

with being able to jump in an active indictor, and force are restriced to sub light, so your guys could take them out one at a time if the forces are spread out.
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Wondering how long before someone hits Jason upside his head and tells him to get a grip, none of the deaths that are happening because of the war are his fault, it's the consortium's fault. I mean if they are losing the war badly in there own galaxy why wouldn't they expand into someplace the people are winning the war in there galaxy weren't at?

I mean yes they're after the tech to help them win the war in there galaxy, but even without that tech most things in war dictate having a secure rear area so it's probable they would have sent a force to our galaxy even without the tech base to try and acquire.
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If they are losssing the war, are they not concerned that the enemy is able to follow them. unless with out the catapult, it is not feasable.

the consortium had to already be in the galaxcy to hear of him, so they were gonna invade any way so all jason did was force their accelerated plans forward, and pre warn the target so prepared for attack.

SO once this war is over, prepare for the next one, the reinforcements or the those that defeated the consortium. ONce war is over, the imperium will assume control of that empire far away, first taken over, the small neutral guys will stay indictored and gated to terra, the little empires will join the imperium for the security, ruler establishing them selves as sorta noble house, the strongest groups afterward will be the urumni and the skaa, they will attempt to expand into the conquered areas, great way to get people to join imperium instead, join or get taken ower by big scary aliens, shio, colonials, some of the alliance. jason shared the tech with only this sector correct, or every one.
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Syed, if i am reading you correctly , what your addressing is the realignment of the Galaxy and the redrawing of all the old boundary lines.Since , its war that had bounded the disparate 'empires" into one unity , and that reason doesn't seem like its going to dissipate , too quickly . Then when what your saying may indeed come in to fruition.
In other words , Jason is even going to be more busy trying to hold it all together... :wink:
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