Karinne Generation's powers

[expedient]

I’ve been wondering if telepathy and telekinesis are the only powers the Faey can exhibit. Jason and Yana’s daughter Kyri and his son Rann, with Jyslin, are the most powerful Generations so far. The ability to affect space and time might offer up a way of boosting shielding or weapons. Teleportation may even be on the cards.

Speaking of which, could torsion guns be defended against with an adaptation of the torsion shockwave weapons? A kind of active armour, like modern tanks use explosives on their skins to disrupt the effectiveness of shells hitting them.

This might offer up a dozen or so Karinne ships, with the most powerful Generations and biogenic boosting, able to jump in hyperspace disrupted areas and defend themselves for longer against Consortium vessels. Alleviating the need for Stargates.

Cybi technology may even be able to do this without the Generations, but put it risk of capture.

If the Consortium are the main power in the Andromeda Galaxy (twice as massive as the Milky Way) they could have astonishing numbers. If they are not then even more exotic technology may come into the equation, brought either by Consortium allies, potential Karinne (foe of my enemy is my friend) allies, or interested hostile third-parties.

There would be much fear from the other Imperial Houses against the Karrines though and we already know how close they are to civil war...

[boballab]

Interesting theories. What we know is that Yana was probably in the top 1% of all Faey power wise, Jason is the strongest recorded male telepath and Temeka is strong enough telepathically to get into the Marines. What makes it so interesting is that in Tememka and Jason's case their Human DNA didn't detract from there Telepathic powers, even through many generations. Being Telepathic would have to be a dominant trait, but over the years it would only be from one side, you would think it would eventually peter out. Maybe the Human DNA is what allows Jason and Temeka to be so strong. If thats the Case Kyri, who has Jason's human DNA, very well might have some unusual gifts. We already know that her talent never went in remission, by the time she reachs her mid teens she will probably be one of the most, if not the most, well versed talents alive. It will be interesting to see what she can do once she gets her Gestalt and can communion with Cybi. With her raw power, boosted by Cybi in Gestalt, she might be able to crush parts of space ships with her TK.

[expedient]

Here I think the human telepaths are the wild card.

Although the Faey were opposed to genetic manipulation, they are selectively breeding strong telepaths as a social selection. Society favors the stronger talents with access to better jobs etc. partly because of their militaristic leanings but also amongst the nobility. Dahnai has bred with strong males to improve the Merrane line.

Jason is the strongest male telepath seen by the Imperium, but that may be due to him being a direct descendant of the house leaders. Much of the required selective breeding may have happened before exile on Earth. Myleena is also extremely strong, much stronger than Jyslin if the incident at the hospital is an indication.

[boballab]

Myleena is by far stronger then Jyslin. Until Kyri was born Myleena was the strongest Generation by a long shot. Myleena in Gestalt could overpower anyone in the Imperium.

You are right and wrong about slective breeding in Faey society. Right in that Telepathic strength is taken into account when the nobles select mates, but they overlook commoners when doing so. That is where you are wrong, The Marines are Faey women that are in the top 10% telepathically but are commoners. The Nobles overlook them for breeding purposes, unlike House Karinne. Remember Yana is in the top 1% in power, if the noble houses were just going by telepathic strength then they would try to match her to a noble male. Since she was a commoner they looked down their noses at her and didn't do that. Their loss, Jason's gain.

[expedient]

Yes the nobles actively seek stronger male to breed with but all Faey seem like stronger male telepaths, common or noble. The females like to dominate males but they don't want it to be easy.

Subjugation chapter 3 at the opera Zarina Marci Trillane after she fails to dominate Jason:

“Why can’t you be more like him?” she demanded in Faey as they merged with the crowd.

Strong females chase strong males as Jyslin does with Jason. Stronger females dominate lesser females in school, in work, in the military. They go after what they want and they want challenges. They dismiss the weaker males as mating partners and the stronger the female the stronger the male needed to satisfy her. The males will also wait to get the best choice of female as the strongest females have the best prospects.

That is social selection.

[boballab]

you have to remember the Faey are a two tiered society. The Noble Houses work completely different then the commoners. For one most marriages are for political gain not for love or anything else. Remember how Dhanni wanted a marriage contract on Rann for Shya. Also remember Dhanni the Empress didn't get to choose who sired her own children the house did. The only concession Dhanni gets as Empress is she gets to choose her husband after she produces heirs.

It was custom for the Empress to produce the heir before marrying, since the Empress didn’t marry at the behest of the house. She’d already produced her heir with the chosen male, carefully selected for his lineage and pedigree, so now she was free to marry. Empresses often married for political gain, but did not always do so. Unlike other high-ranking noble women, Dahnai was free to marry anyone she wanted, not who was chosen for her for maximum political gain. Being the Empress, no one could make her marry anyone.

“Yeah. I’m pregnant, Jayce,” she told them, patting her stomach. “A month and a half gone, by Rivin, the male sire the house chose to sire my children.

I’m going to have another girl, and I want her betrothed to your son.”
“They’re not even born!”
“So? This is quite normal for nobles, hon. I want a solid alliance between our houses, and a betrothal is that kind of alliance.”

As you can see the nobles arrange marriages even before birth, the personality and telepathic strength of the children is secondary to what house they belong to. For love typically the Nobles look to their Amu Dorai for that. So most Noble women had their husbands chosen for them to strengthen political ties. Now some times the Noble Houses will arrange a straight out breeding between each other. House Karinne in the old days was well known for this. Myleena's ancestors were such a case, it was a mating designed to produce a strong telepath for House Karinne. You have to remember though that House Karinne placed Genetics over political alliances, they were consumed with the Generations program. In the commoner society were Jyslin comes from they have the option to choose a male, so his personality plays a bigger factor for them. So in the Faey system you have two types of societal breeding, in the Nobles politics overrides everything and in the commoners the type of person is the dominant trait.

Speaking of Rann, Fel was talking about possibly doing a story on Rann's personality growing up in a Human/Faey household. How he can fit into or not fit into the molds those societies say he should fit and also how his unique genetics play into that.

[expedient]

you have to remember the Faey are a two tiered society. The Noble Houses work completely different then the commoners.
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Speaking of Rann, Fel was talking about possibly doing a story on Rann's personality growing up in a Human/Faey household. How he can fit into or not fit into the molds those societies say he should fit and also how his unique genetics play into that.

I'm not disagreeing with you. There are a number of times in the story where Faey women are drawn to Jason partly because of his strength of personality, partly because they find humans beautiful and partly because he is a powerful telepath. The scenes at the university, the public reaction to his video interview in the hospital and his relationship with Dahnai come to mind. There seems to be a racial instinct for Faey females to seek strong males, both in personality and in telepathic strength. That's expressed in the ways you've outlined in your posts. As I've said, they like a challenge.

When Rann and Shya eventually get together there will be fireworks. A Merrane taught to rule and expecting to dominate the male Karinne is gonna be in for a hell of a surprise. I can't wait...

[hoppy]

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If the Consortium are the main power in the Andromeda Galaxy (twice as massive as the Milky Way) they could have astonishing numbers. If they are not then even more exotic technology may come into the equation, brought either by Consortium allies, potential Karinne (foe of my enemy is my friend) allies, or interested hostile third-parties.

There would be much fear from the other Imperial Houses against the Karrines though and we already know how close they are to civil war...

Well, the consortium is more like the friend of an enemy, who is the enemy of a rival. I consider the empire more unstable than on the brink.

[expedient]

Well, the consortium is more like the friend of an enemy, who is the enemy of a rival.

I had to read that more than once!

[dellstart]

you have to remember the Faey are a two tiered society. The Noble Houses work completely different then the commoners.
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Speaking of Rann, Fel was talking about possibly doing a story on Rann's personality growing up in a Human/Faey household. How he can fit into or not fit into the molds those societies say he should fit and also how his unique genetics play into that.

I'm not disagreeing with you. There are a number of times in the story where Faey women are drawn to Jason partly because of his strength of personality, partly because they find humans beautiful and partly because he is a powerful telepath. The scenes at the university, the public reaction to his video interview in the hospital and his relationship with Dahnai come to mind. There seems to be a racial instinct for Faey females to seek strong males, both in personality and in telepathic strength. That's expressed in the ways you've outlined in your posts. As I've said, they like a challenge.

When Rann and Shya eventually get together there will be fireworks. A Merrane taught to rule and expecting to dominate the male Karinne is gonna be in for a hell of a surprise. I can't wait...

Yes, fun days ahead for all.Though hes going to be no lady's pansy.let me tell you that.
Though I guess , its going to be awhile, unfortunately to we find out what happens next .

[boballab]

Here is some food for thought:

Shortly after the destruction of Karis and some Karinne ancestors founded Exile the Consortium found them there. We know that even back then the Insectoid race was being controlled by the Consortium so that device in the skull has been around a long time. Now how did the Consortium get the Firstcomers to spill the beans on the Generations program? By placing those devices in their heads most likely. So for almost a thousand years the Consortium could have been breeding their own Faey and controlling them. If that is correct then that can clear up the entire Consortium plan for the attack on Karis including the attack on Kellin. The Consortium could have used any controlled Faey they bred to spy on the Imperium and suborn others ie: plant those devices in someones head. Now lets look at what might have happened if the assassination of Kellin went through. Dahani would have been rushed back to Dracora without adequate escort. The Consortium fleet could have captured her ship and planted one of those devices in her and her guards then let her go. Effectively that would give them control of the Faey Imperium. Jason would then been screwed and the Urumi could have used their entire fleet at Karis without worry about the Imperium. I wonder when its going to click in either the Denmother's or Jason's head about the implications of the devices and captured Faey are. Jason will have to find a way to check people for those devices without a full medical scan.

[dellstart]

Here is some food for thought:

Shortly after the destruction of Karis and some Karinne ancestors founded Exile the Consortium found them there. We know that even back then the Insectoid race was being controlled by the Consortium so that device in the skull has been around a long time. Now how did the Consortium get the Firstcomers to spill the beans on the Generations program? By placing those devices in their heads most likely. So for almost a thousand years the Consortium could have been breeding their own Faey and controlling them. If that is correct then that can clear up the entire Consortium plan for the attack on Karis including the attack on Kellin. The Consortium could have used any controlled Faey they bred to spy on the Imperium and suborn others ie: plant those devices in someones head. Now lets look at what might have happened if the assassination of Kellin went through. Dahani would have been rushed back to Dracora without adequate escort. The Consortium fleet could have captured her ship and planted one of those devices in her and her guards then let her go. Effectively that would give them control of the Faey Imperium. Jason would then been screwed and the Urumi could have used their entire fleet at Karis without worry about the Imperium. I wonder when its going to click in either the Denmother's or Jason's head about the implications of the devices and captured Faey are. Jason will have to find a way to check people for those devices without a full medical scan.

That actually answers , the question that has been bothering me for awhile, that why go after Kellin.In the scenario , you have presented, it truly does make sense, to draw Dahani out and entrap her with a mind controlling device.Thus tie up all your lose threads in one fell swoop.
Thats brilliant man! well done indeed.

[expedient]

Here is some food for thought:

Excellent boballab, that would answer quite a few hanging threads. Once exposed the Consortium could even use its mere existence to sow mistrust and fear amongst the Faey.

I think that they might have developed the technology from the Karinne interfaces though. If they were allies, or controlled the insectoids by some other means previously, it might explain how they knew so little about the Kimdori. The exile Faey may have able to keep some secrets. They may have only really needed the devices as a) a defense against telepathic attacks, and b) to keep them fighting right to the end. Certainly a relentless enemy who never gives up and will resort to kamikaze type tactics to take out others would drive fear into many opponents. In this scenario the energy based beings may be very strong telepaths.

[boballab]

I think you will find that the energy based beings are very limited in some ways, that is why if you noticed they always work through another race, they are Puppet Masters and need puppets to do their bidding. As to the devices remember that they work on a system that is even beyond Karinne technology, broadcasted plasma. Who better to understand the intricacies of the properties of energy then energy beings. This gives them an advantage in that field. The reason they didn't know much about the Kimdori is actually very simple, there was no Generations on that planet. Only the Generations know how the Kimdori get their information, to the rest of the galaxy they are just shapeshifters. The unaltered nobles on that ship would know about the Program but they would never divulge that willingly. No one outside of House Karinne even knew of the Program it was that closely held and only the Generations, the CBIMS and the Kimdori knew the details. The interfaces might have helped the Consortium adapt the devices they used on the insects to be used on the Faey but not give them the idea. Remember the Insectoids are highly resistant to Telepathy as a race the devices only provided a means of communication and mind control.

[expedient]

I think you will find that the energy based beings are very limited in some ways, that is why if you noticed they always work through another race, they are Puppet Masters and need puppets to do their bidding.

Well they certainly don't seem to want to get in the line of fire, that's for sure