thejank wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:03 pm
I've been reading a lot of Sanderson lately, which means my brain is trying to catch as many things that intertwine between books as it can. I've started to do the same with Fel's work now.
Could it be that Tarrin Kael has visited the Subjugation universe before?
Maybe? (Well, Fel already confirmed it in response to you)
And the two large quote blocks from me aren't the first time the possible (now confirmed) cross-over has been discussed.
Not a ID wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:02 am
Might want to consider that Subjugation may itself be a "forbidden prime" and that the Galaxy of Zealots they were alerted to existing is the reason why.
The question then becomes one of where their "portal" to the wider multiverse is, who has been minding it in the interim, and where they are located.
Given both the Parri and the Kimdori, as well as the Kypan Void(which may not be as devoid of "advanced life" as we think, they just don't want to be found); I'm inclined to suspect the entry point is located somewhere in the Milky Way. Whether it has been there from the start, or was moved
there at some point is another question.
Not a ID wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:48 am
kyli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:51 am
Well it could also be possible that they are a Universe so far from the Core that there is no magic from the core at all and the gateways are closed, like that world at the beginning of the "A Simple Task" short story. Maybe the psychic powers are a power different and unrelated to regular magic that doesn't rely on proximity to the Core in order to work.
They could be further from the Core as well, but you have me going back to some older theories in regards to the Kimdori being this "world's" Entropics with the role of maintaining balance, and the fact that they're present in the Milky Way and not elsewhere tends to suggest that the Kimdori were placed there to help defend something in the Milky Way.
That Earth, and the Humans + Faey are evidently factoring into this "game" somehow also would point to "ground zero" being near Earth. And as Earth also happens to lie on the edge of the Kypan Void, which has been remarked on previously as being an unusual sector of space both for it's lack of advanced civilizations inside of it, and lack of potentially habitable worlds of note. It could be claimed that someone either "removed" such worlds, or "hid" them so they couldn't be found "until the time was right." (We also happen to know that the Kimdori are very good at hiding things!)
And this also takes us back to the Kimdori again because our little corner of the Galaxy was where the Kimdori were also focusing most of their efforts and attention. Now there is a little bit of chicken and the egg that can be played in that regard as it relates to the Faey in particular. But it is entirely possible that the Kimdori are still keeping secrets from even Jason and they know some additional things about that region of space they haven't shared with anyone else, and may also be working to try to protect to some degree. But as the void is now about to be surrounded by "cousins" to the Kimdori, such secrecy efforts are now less viable going forward. A second avenue also available is that Zaa may drop another bomb on Jason after the Kimdori notice that he's solved the "riddle of the mirror" test. They may not call it that, but they may be aware it has some kind of significance when they encounter someone without a reflection, and have instructions from some ancient times(to even them) when they encounter someone like that.
As I think about it further, I'm becoming more convinced the Kimdori are keeping another secret, and Jason solving The Riddle of the Mirror just opened another can of worms from the Kimdori side of things. But going by the closing scene with the shaman
, it sounds like it was a can that needed to be opened.
All that said...
thejank wrote: ↑Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:03 pm
Tarrin had walked worlds where science had advanced to the point where men sailed ships of
metal through the vast void of space and traveled from world to world, and wielded
weapons of such terrible power that made his own magic look pitiful by comparison.
This really seems like a reference to me of the Karinne's and their ships/weapons. The end of Revolution seems like there could be some crossover as well. Jason solves the riddle of the mirror and the Parri shaman seems to have more knowledge of the universe/multiverse than she lets on.
Well really, if you simply start talking about Nuclear Weapons, a Hydrogen Bomb could probably humble even Tarrin's own considerable power. So it doesn't need to be a specific reference to the Subjugation Universe, although Fel has now confirmed Tarrin has been here.
So with that being said, do you think the Karinnes doing something that threatens the balance? Is Jason a being spun out of entropy, like we've seen with other characters in Fel's universe? Is the Parri shaman Mother Wynn in disguise?
The Kimdori are blatantly obvious Entropics
for anyone who knows what an Entropic is.
As the Generations contain Kimdori DNA, that makes them Entropics by extension.
So yes, Jason is an Entropic.
Are the Karinnes doing something to threaten the balance? Probably not. Given "the new bad" introduced in the previous book(and hinted at earlier with regard to the Benga and why Jason would want
to keep them around), it would seem to me that the Karinnes are being brought forward to address that particular problem, whatever it is. They're not a threat to the balance, they're a growing power which will be used to restore
balance on a universe-spanning level.
The most outlandish theory that I have is the Lieutenant Gen is actually Tarrin in disguise (this is the most unlikely).
I doubt Tarrin is Gen. Given what Fel has said, I would suspect Tarrin probably is somebody known to Jason however, the question is who. As I think about it, I'm starting to suspect Kumi might be part of Tarrin's crew. There is one other person on the Strip that I'm starting to actively suspect of being connected to Tarrin as I think further, but I'd need to re-read a lot of stuff first.
I don't think Tarrin himself is on the strip, however.