Something I was thinking about the Firestaff.

[Hearly]

Ok, When Tarrin threatened to cut the weave to his amulet and trap the firestaff forever away from Val, Why did Val believe him?

We have Niami telling Tarrin after the fact that they've tried destroying it many times, and when he went Pyrosia, it dropped on the ground when he went into the portal, so wouldn't if he cut the weave to his amulet the firestaff would have just popped out and fallen to the ground?

Just a little thing I was thinking about while I was waiting for chapter 11 of sub...

[Wildcat]

But does Val know that?  He knows Tarrin is deperate enough to cut the weave, and he technically isn't destroying the Firestaff, just rendering it impossible to touch. I don't think Val wanted to take the chance that it might work.

[Shadowhawk]

But does Val know that?  He knows Tarrin is deperate enough to cut the weave, and he technically isn't destroying the Firestaff, just rendering it impossible to touch. I don't think Val wanted to take the chance that it might work.

Maybe Firestaff have manipulated him...

[Hearly]

But does Val know that?  He knows Tarrin is deperate enough to cut the weave, and he technically isn't destroying the Firestaff, just rendering it impossible to touch. I don't think Val wanted to take the chance that it might work.

Not sure, but if it did work why not just toss it into Spyders cloak?

I'm not sure why it even allowed itself to go into the "other" space where items go, I mean it's not in Sennadar anymore, so shouldn't it do the same thing as what happened when Tarrin went into the portal?

[Phantom]

Ok, When Tarrin threatened to cut the weave to his amulet and trap the firestaff forever away from Val, Why did Val believe him?

We have Niami telling Tarrin after the fact that they've tried destroying it many times, and when he went Pyrosia, it dropped on the ground when he went into the portal, so wouldn't if he cut the weave to his amulet the firestaff would have just popped out and fallen to the ground?

Just a little thing I was thinking about while I was waiting for chapter 11 of sub...

I think the firestaff would have just remained Trapped in the "other" Space  
I don't thing anything Tarrin had carried in his amulet would have been destroyed but would have just been cut off from anyone's access


Phantom

Not sure, but if it did work why not just toss it into Spyders cloak?

I'm not sure why it even allowed itself to go into the "other" space where items go, I mean it's not in Sennadar anymore, so shouldn't it do the same thing as what happened when Tarrin went into the portal?

While it sounds good i'm guessing the results would have been the same as when tarrin walked throught the portal..


As for the "other" space i think it exists where ever the user is located at the time... I mean it occupies the space where the user currently is but in some sort of shifted or out of Phase dimension.

Therefore the Firestaff see's it self as still being on Sennadar untill that space moves with Tarrin to Pyrosia.


Phantom

[Hearly]

I think the firestaff would have just remained Trapped in the "other" Space  
I don't thing anything Tarrin had carried in his amulet would have been destroyed but would have just been cut off from anyone's access


Phantom

While it sounds good i'm guessing the results would have been the same as when tarrin walked throught the portal..


As for the "other" space i think it exists where ever the user is located at the time... I mean it occupies the space where the user currently is but in some sort of shifted or out of Phase dimension.

Therefore the Firestaff see's it self as still being on Sennadar untill that space moves with Tarrin to Pyrosia.


Phantom

But then wouldn't all Niami and the other gods had to do would be to put it in the "other" space and let it there for all eternity?

[Wildcat]

Maybe, but I'm assuming an other space like that has to be tied to some physical object, like Tarrin's amulet. I think the Firestaff would start influencing people once it got near time for it to activate again, just as it influenced people in book 4, even though it was under a lot of seals.  

I don't think the Firestaff likes the gods... didn't Fel say somewhere the Firestaff existed to test them?

[Fel]

It should be pretty apparent by now that the Firestaff has its own sentience, and it also has the power to move itself when it deems it necessary.  It extricated itself from the elsewhere to avoid being taken off Sennadar, and it could have easily removed itself from the elsewhere had Tarrin destroyed the amulet.

But Tarrin and Val didn't KNOW that at the time.  Tarrin made that threat with intent to carry it out.  He didn't know that it wouldn't work...it was his final trump card.  Val also didn't know that it wouldn't work, which was why he took it seriously.

For those who are curious, the elsewhere is simply extradimensional space attached to the amulet.

[MechCraft]

i just thought of something that might be important.

the firestaff is sentient to a degree and it could have removed its self from tarrins amulet at any time but remained, tarrin is now linked to it as well when his soul was tranformed into a gods soul.

if tarrin were in trouble and called to the firestaff could he summon it?
the need do so would have to trancend the contimium, and tarrin would have to really be in trouble. (deeper that usual that is)

or would it help by sending power to him?

[Plshade]

That brings into question; what type of sentience does the Firestaff have? Is it merely a survival instinct, where it does whatever it has to protect itself, or does it have a personality and/or emotions.

As for helping Tarrin, history shows that the Firestaff will not help it's "children". It did nothing to stop Tarrin from destoying Val (and himself) but then again neither one called for help from it.

As for sending power to Tarrin, I don't believe its possible. Val's Shadow had to physically hold the Firestaff before it could drain power from staff.

[Weresmilodon]

Regarding the sentience, I would guess that it is geared towards a purpose. In this case, fulfilling its function of creating Gods out of ordinary mortals, unbound by any rules. It is also limited towards Sennadar only, so it would stop itself from leaving. Everything it does is likely going towards fulfilling one or both of those, though the effect might not be seen for centuries, possibly millennia.

[Phantom]

It should be pretty apparent by now that the Firestaff has its own sentience, and it also has the power to move itself when it deems it necessary. It extricated itself from the elsewhere to avoid being taken off Sennadar, and it could have easily removed itself from the elsewhere had Tarrin destroyed the amulet.

But Tarrin and Val didn't KNOW that at the time. Tarrin made that threat with intent to carry it out. He didn't know that it wouldn't work...it was his final trump card. Val also didn't know that it wouldn't work, which was why he took it seriously.

For those who are curious, the elsewhere is simply extradimensional space attached to the amulet.

Well at least i got part of it right   ::)


Phantom